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Kamil Stoch and Maciej Kot take double victory for Poland

 

Double Olympic Champion Kamil Stoch of Poland took his 16th win in the World Cup in a difficult competition in Lillehammer. This was the first World Cup win for Stoch (134 m and 130.5 m; 289.9 points) since January 2015 (Willingen).

 

With his second place, only 0.6 points behind the winner, Stoch's teammate Maciej Kot (129.5 m and 136 m; 289.3 points) secured the first double victory for the Polish team and their head coach Stefan Horngacher. The third place went to Germany's Markus Eisenbichler (128.5 m and 135 m; 286.2 points). For him this was, just like for Kot, the first podium result in the World Cup.

 

The day's form decides

 

"It's been a while since my last win. After my second jump I didn't expect to be on the podium, I thought I would be fourth and fifth again", Stoch said after his triumph. "We (Stoch and Kot) were already jumping on a high level yesterday, but the others are so strong at the moment that it depends on your shape on the exact day of the competition whether you are on the podium or close behind." 

 

Maciej Kot, who already showed what he's capable of last summer, was very satisfied after his second place. "This was a very difficult competition for me today, especially the first jump. Of course I'm happy that it was enough for the podium, but the season is still young and we still have a lot of work ahead of us", Maciej Kot said about the best result of his career in the World Cup.

 

For 25-year-old Eisenbichler the first podium result of his career was a bit of a surprise, but after his performances over the past weeks many experts considered Eisenbichler one of the contestants for top results. "It feels great to be on the podium. I didn't expect that it would go that well today. I'm more than happy right now and it's still a bit hard to believe. The first jump was not that good today, but I will not complain", Eisenbichler said after the competition.

 

Andreas Wellinger (10th), Karl Geiger (14th), Stephan Leyhe (18th), Richard Freitag (23rd) and Severin Freund (26th) completed the result of the German team. Severin Freund had bad wind conditions, the winner of the competition in Kuusamo had no chance to achieve a top result and now has to move on after today's disappointment. 

 

Top athletes with tail wind in the first round 

 

The conditions were extremely difficult for the last group of competitors in the first round. So Domen Prevc, Daniel Andre Tande of Norway, Stefan Kraft and Severin Freund had practically no chance to be among the best.

 

Tande with a highlight

 

Norway's Daniel Andre Tande, currently second in the overall World Cup, had really bad luck. Despite a top jump he was only 23rd after the first round. In the final the 23-year-old then showed what he's capable of right now. With the best jump in the second round (141 m) he moved up from 23rd to fourth overall. "I was so mad after my first jump. For the first time I had two good jumps today and then I had no chance with such bad conditions", said Tande, who could still feel like one of the winners today after his outstanding performance in the final round.

 

Austria's Stefan Kraft was not as strong as Tande today, but still he did very well. He was 21st after the first round due to the tail wind and moved up to eighth with his second jump. With Manuel Fettner in 6th and Michael Hayboeck in 11th it was a good day for the team of head coach Heinz Kuttin. 

 

Switzerland, Finland and France not in the final

 

The second day of competition in Lillehammer turned out to be a big disappointment for the Swiss athletes. A 38th place for Simon Ammann and the places 49 and 50 for Kilian Peier and Gregor Deschwanden are of course not good enough. Now the team of coach Ronnie Hornschuh has to make amends next weekend in their home event in Engelberg.

 

Vincent Descombes Sevoie of France also became a victim of the difficult conditions at the end of the first round. With a 43rd place today he lost his Top 10 spot in the overall World Cup and is now 12th. Janne Ahonen already failed to make the cut in the qualification, Ville Larinto was 35th and missed the final of the best 30.

 

Domen Prevc in the lead, Freund now fourth

 

A sixth place today was enough for only 17-year-old Slovene Domen Prevc to defend his lead in the overall World (360 points). Daniel Andre Tande is second with 308 points) and Maciej Kot (247 points) is now third, followed by Severin Freund (233 points).

 

Next weekend two World Cup competitions will be held in Engelberg (SUI).

 

 

Full Results Here

 

[rybak 3,217]

Well done Kamil and Maciej!!  It's probably first time to see two Polish ski jumpers in first two places in the World Cup

[mihamiha 124]

so 3 brothers prevc in todays game.

 

its easier to be slovenian sportsman of the year than bo be the best in prevc family

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Michael Hayboeck takes first win this season

 

Austria's Michael Hayboeck took his first win this season in the first of two World Cup competitions in Engelberg (SUI). Hayboeck, who was not in his best shape so far this winter, celebrated a convincing win with jumps of 138 m and 134 m (304.7 points), ahead of Slovenia's Domen Prevc (132 m and 137.5 m; 301.6 points) and Austria's Andreas Kofler (128 m and 139.5 m; 293.7 points).

 

In the the first ever night event on the Titlis-hill in Engelberg, Hayboeck laid the foundation for his win with an outstanding jump in the round: "I was a bit nervous before the second round, I definitely didn't want to lose that lead. The Swiss soil is obviously good for me. Engelberg is a special place for me, I always love coming here. I always liked the old hill, and now I like the new one even better. When we came here I was hoping that the hill didn't change too much. Now I won and I know that the new hill suits me as well", said the happy winner.

 

17-year-old Domen Prevc extended his lead in the overall World Cup with his second place. "Today I'm especially happy with my second jump. It was one of my best jumps this season. I hope that I can show two good jumps in tomorrow's competition", Prevc summed up the competition. The youngest of the three Prevc brothers did great on the reconstructed Titlis-hill and is also among the top favorites for Sunday's competition. "I like Engelberg, it looks similar to home with so many mountains", Prevc expressed his appreciation for the host city.

 

Austria's Andreas Kofler had a great comeback. Kofler, who already gained some attention with strong performances at the beginning of the winter, returned to the world's elite in Engelberg. "I'm extremely happy that I'm on the podium here. I really didn't expect that. I'm very grateful and enjoy the moment. In my second jump I was unbelievably high, so I knew that it would go far. But then I had some problems with the telemark. I will remember this second jump for a long time", Kofler said after he moved up from tenth to third in the final round.

Norway's Daniel Andre Tande repeated his fourth place from last Sunday's event in Lillehammer. The 22-year-old will be fighting for the win on Sunday, his current shape is better than this fourth place shows.

 

Markus Eisenbichler was once again the best of the German team. With his seventh place the 25-year-old confirmed his top position in the team of Werner Schuster at the moment. Richard Freitag was second after the first half of the competition, but could not defend this result in the final round. With a mediocre second jump, Freitag came in eighth overall. But still this result is a success for Freitag, who has not yet found the way back to his old strength this winter. Severin Freund in tenth and Andreas Wellinger in 15th completed the solid result of the German team, but, after today, no athlete of the German Ski Association is among the favorites on Sunday.

 

It was a disappointing competition for the Polish team. A ninth place of Kamil Stoch and a 12th place of Maciej Kot are not enough for the two best Polish athletes.

 

Peter Prevc down

 

Slovenia's Peter Prevc had his second crash of the season today. He fell after the landing and didn't suffer any injuries, but he was deeply disappointed. "I was literally down, like I was right after my jump", said Peter Prevc. According to coach Jani Grilc a technical mistake at the landing was the reason for the fall.

 

The second competition in Engelberg starts on Sunday at 2:00 pm CET.

 

 

Full Results Here

 

[mihamiha 124]

another win for domen

[hckošice 14,822]

Domen Prevc jumps to his next victory

 

17-year-old Slovene Domen Prevc won the second competition in Engelberg (SUI) and is now the top favorite for the 65th 4-Hills-Tournament starting in Oberstdorf on December 29th. The youngest of the three Prevc brothers took a clear win with jumps of 144 m and 141.5 m (305.9 points). With Poland's Kamil Stoch (143.5 m and 141.5 m; 293.8 points) in second and Stefan Kraft of Austria (138.5 m and 138 m; 283.1 points) in third, two other 4-Hills favorites were on the podium in Engelberg.

 

Domen Prevc already had a clear lead after the first jump and left no doubts about his currently outstanding position. "Unlike yesterday I had two good jumps today and I'm very satisfied with my performance and the result. I don't feel any pressure when it comes to the 4-Hills-Tournament, my team is great and they give me all the support I need. I saw how it was when my brother was winning one competition after the other, so this is not totally new for me", Domen Prevc explained after the competition. He is in an oustanding form right now and will probably be hard to beat in the upcoming events.

 

To the joy of the many Polish fans, double Olympic champion Kamil Stoch came in second. For Stoch this second place also means that he can be considered the main challenger of Domen Prevc at the upcoming 4-Hills-Tournament. "Today all my jumps were good and very consistent, of course I'm very satisfied with today's result. The competitions this weekend were on a very high level. I really liked the old hill here in Engelberg, the profile suited me well. I also like the new hill, but it's more difficult to jump here now", said Stoch.

 

Stefan Kraft, 4-Hills-Tournament winner 2014/15, came in third and took the third podium finish this weekend for Austria after Michael Hayboeck and Andreas Kofler were first and third yesterday. "The gap to the best two is huge, but I made the first step today. For the first time I was able to show two great jumps. I'm also super satisfied with my podium finish and I'm in a great position right now. Yesterday I was extremely happy about the podium results for my roommate Michael Hayboeck and Andreas Kofler, we had a lot of fun in our room yesterday. The pressure at the 4-Hills-Tournament is positive, you have to deal with it. I usually do well under this pressure and I'm already looking forward to the hype at the 4-Hills-Tournament", said Stefan Kraft.

 

Daniel Andre Tande: bad luck and an involuntary show

 

Norway's Daniel Andre Tande could not finish on the podium also in the second competition in Engelberg. After the first round he was very good position in second, then the 25-year-old had an awesome jump on 144.5 m in the final, but his hands touched the snow after the landing. Tande was able to avoid a crash with a lot of luck and enormous artistic skills but due to the low judges' marks he finished only 11th.

Eisenbichler very strong again 

Once again Markus Eisenbichler was the best German and once again he showed a convincing performance. The 25-year-old Bavarian of the club TSV Siegsdorf, is jumping extremely consistent and can be considered an insider tip for the 4-Hills-Tournament. A good start in Oberstdorf and the impossible might become possible for Eisenbichler. With Richard Freitag in seventh, Severin Freund in ninth and Andreas Wellinger in 13th, the Germans showed a good performance today. Stephan Leyhe was 26th.

 

Once again the Austrians were the strongest team today. Besides Stefan Kraft, also Manuel Fettner (4th) and Michael Hayboeck (6th), who won Saturday's competition, were in the Top 6 today.  

 

Prevc extends lead

 

With his win in Engelberg, Domen Prevc further extended his lead in the overall World Cup. The Slovene now scored 540 points and leads clearly ahead of Daniel Andre Tande (382 points) and Stefan Kraft (331 points).

 

Next stop for the ski jumpers is the opening event of the 4-Hills-Tournament in Oberstdorf (GER) on December 30th (qualification on Dec. 29th).

 

 

Full results Here

 

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4 Hills Tournament

Stage 1 Oberstdorf

KO Round Starting Order

 

Q	Athlete	Pairing	Athlete	Q
26	Andreas STJERNEN	1	Stefan HULA	25
27	Roman KOUDELKA	2	Andreas WANK	24
28	Dawid KUBACKI	3	Evgeniy KLIMOV	23
29	Simon AMMANN	4	Jurij TEPES	22
30	Klemens MURANKA	5	Cene PREVC	21
31	Florian ALTENBURGER	6	Markus SCHIFFNER	20
32	Karl GEIGER	7	Severin FREUND	19
33	Jernej DAMJAN	8	Vincent DESCOMBES SEVOIE	18
34	Dimitry VASSILIEV	9	Daiki ITO	17
35	Halvor Egner GRANERUD	10	Denis KORNILOV	16
36	Jan ZIOBRO	11	Piotr ZYLA	15
37	Noriaki KASAI	12	Richard FREITAG	14
38	Vojtech STURSA	13	Andreas WELLINGER	13
39	Pius PASCHKE	14	Jakub JANDA	12
40	Mackenzie BOYD-CLOWES	15	Andreas KOFLER	11
41	Tom HILDE	16	Peter PREVC	10
42	Robert JOHANSSON	17	Michael HAYBOECK	9
43	Taku TAKEUCHI	18	Domen PREVC	8
44	Ryoyu KOBAYASHI	19	Stephan LEYHE	7
45	Constantin SCHMID	20	Markus EISENBICHLER	6
46	Jarkko MAEAETTAE	21	Maciej KOT	5
47	Elias TOLLINGER	22	Manuel FETTNER	4
48	Vladimir ZOGRAFSKI	23	Stefan KRAFT	3
49	Anders FANNEMEL	24	Kamil STOCH	2
50	Ronan LAMY CHAPUIS	25	Daniel Andre TANDE	1

 

[Federer91 2,793]

The most open 4-Hills in a long time. I'd bet on Stoch for the second polish victory. 

Edited December 29, 2016 by Federer91

[heywoodu 15,135]

I'm going for big favourite Domen to actually do it.

[hckošice 14,822]

and we are jumping