AIN athletes qualification for Paris 2024 Olympic Games and reallocation of quotas [post#1 updated 15.07]

[Art Art 52]

6 minutes ago, phelps said:

that's absolutely respected...AZE only gets Bayramov's quota in any case

 

this is not a problem

 

the only question is the order of attribution of that quota place

Formally, if Azerbaijan will have a quota for the WCh, it will be their second quota.

 

that's why in the rules «respecting the maximum quota per gender or per NOC».

Edited June 16, 2024 by Art Art

[Andry84 106]

2 minutes ago, phelps said:

I don't really think so

 

Bayramov got his original quota at the continetal tournament...that's the quota place to be reallocated if he gets the WC place (which is obvious, since he is the 1st in line that didn't get a WC quota)

 

p.s. however I won't be surprised if  don't get that OQP, it's obvious that UWW cheaters now have our Country in the target for any possible form of disrespect

I only hope that our NOC would fight until the end, going also to the Swiss Civil Court if necessary

Your interpretation Is the only logical one and the fairest because when the WCh were held Bayramov was not qualified, but the rules of reallocation are different, stupid , but different, i really fear the quota Is going tò China.

[phelps 8,279]

2 minutes ago, Art Art said:

Formally, if Azerbaijan will have a quota for the WCh, it will be their second quota

 

 

that's why in the rules "respecting the maximum quota per gender or per NOC

no, if he gets the WC quota, the continental place is the one to be reallocated because of that rule...the world champs were held months earlier

 

just try to imagine the timeline...AZE gets the 2023 reallocation, than in 2024 they can't get that 2nd quota and another reallocation comes in play

[Faramir 445]

Again, let's check women's 62kg and 68kg reallocations for Tokyo 2020.

The situation was the same and the rules were the same.

They didn't apply the "cascade" reallocation procedure or the outcome would have been different.

 

Of course I'd prefer Chamizo getting the quota, but let's not have wrong expectations, he's almost certainly out.

[Art Art 52]

5 minutes ago, phelps said:

no, if he gets the WC quota, the continental place is the one to be reallocated because of that rule...the world champs were held months earlier

 

just try to imagine the timeline...AZE gets the 2023 reallocation, than in 2024 they can't get that 2nd quota and another reallocation comes in play

But only AIN quota is reallocated.
 

according to your version, Azerbaijan's and AIN quota should be reallocated.
 

but it is wrong.

[phelps 8,279]

1 minute ago, Art Art said:

But only AIN quota is reallocated.
 

according to your version, Azerbaijan's and AIN quota should be reallocated.
 

but it is wrong.

once AIN quota is reallocated, the rest comes automatically, like a waterfall...

[phelps 8,279]

6 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Again, let's check women's 62kg and 68kg reallocations for Tokyo 2020.

The situation was the same and the rules were the same.

They didn't apply the "cascade" reallocation procedure or the outcome would have been different.

 

Of course I'd prefer Chamizo getting the quota, but let's not have wrong expectations, he's almost certainly out.

OK, let`s see what a trial court thinks about it

 

in any case, all those who read the rules without taking into consideration the "consecutio temporum" should go back to school (or in jail, if they do it intentionally )

[Andry84 106]

4 minutes ago, phelps said:

OK, let`s see what a trial court thinks about it

 

in any case, all those who read the rules without taking into consideration the "consecutio temporum" should go back to school (or in jail, if they do it intentionally )

Your are right, but " not yet qualified" Is related at the time of the reallocation not at the time the tournament was held also because everybody Is not qualified when every qualification tournament was held. But i also think that Is written badly and Cas could change the decision because the only logical reallocation Is the one that sees the first under the line in the moment  the tournament was held take the spot and then the others ( if there are others) like a waterfall.

[Pasolini 276]

Guys, all those interpretations are fair and valid.

 

But in the end UWW will do what it feels it's right and we have no idea what it will be.

 

We have seen in this cycle some pretty absurd interpretations of its own rules by IFs. 

[copravolley 498]

Terrible situation. From 2022 they knew they would have to make difficult decisions and only at the last minute would they do so and create even more chaos. It was exactly the same in 2016, but then the situation with doping was new. Now they were over 2 years and it would be the same.