Boxing IOC Olympic Qualifier 2 2024

[dodge 1,041]

I think it's an important point to make about how hard some rounds are, particularly in the "amateur" game. One extremely tight round given to a fighter could be the difference. They don't watch TV angles either. They can only see whats in front of them from their own angle

[avlar 585]

3 minutes ago, dodge said:

I think it's an important point to make about how hard some rounds are, particularly in the "amateur" game. One extremely tight round given to a fighter could be the difference. They don't watch TV angles either. They can only see whats in front of them from their own angle

Did you watch Walsh - Zakhareev? (By the way, I do not think angles were so important there).

 

Our federation did all they can to broadcast all the bouts of our boxers, but that bout we have from another source.

[sounak 40]

41 minutes ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

Expectations were around the same but have slightly increased now. We had 5 good draws and all those boxers are still there. Boro has made it through 2 difficult matches so far. The one today was pretty ugly and close. Boro had dominated 1st, Kazakh was better in 2nd and 3rd was pretty even. I thought Volossenko had done enough but Boro escaped the point deduction and somehow few combination punches helped her. Hoping for 4-5 boxers to qualify now. 

Oh. How did you get Boro's result? Is there any live stream?

[dodge 1,041]

17 minutes ago, avlar said:

Did you watch Walsh - Zakhareev? (By the way, I do not think angles were so important there).

 

Our federation did all they can to broadcast all the bouts of our boxers, but that bout we have from another source.

No. Haven’t watched it. I’m not suggesting you’re wrong or right. 

 

I’m just saying that the judges have different viewpoints so can literally see things differently. That’s all 

 

 

[dodge 1,041]

15 minutes ago, sounak said:

Oh. How did you get Boro's result? Is there any live stream?

Live streams start tomorrow 

[Fly_like_a_don 1,153]

45 minutes ago, sounak said:

Oh. How did you get Boro's result? Is there any live stream?

It was for her match on Kazakhstan boxing federation on Instagram with recording available on their YouTube channel. But from tomorrow you can watch easily on Olympic channel 

Edited May 29, 2024 by Fly_like_a_don

[Oscar 46]

Day 6 (29 May) Session 12 (Night) Results:

 

Women's 60kg R16:

 

 Tagirova -  Alexiusson

 Volossenko -  Boro

 Piñeiro Muino -  Ha

 Beram -  Jedinakova

 Budasz -  Kukhta

 Viitanen -  Okhrei

 Broadhurst -  Smith

 Oh -  Falcon

 

Women's 66kg R32:

 

 Oraekwe -  Hovsepyan

 Wharerau -  Yama

 Boboyorova -  Sanogo

 Walsh -  Hwang

 

Men's 63,5kg R16:

 

 Nadir -  Paraschiv

 Erdenebat -  Rosenov

 Commey -  García

 Abou-Arab -  Ibarreche Conde

 Álvarez -  Khartsyz

 Malanga -  Mukhammedsabyr

 Viafara Fory -  De la Cruz Báez

 Hasanov -  Nishiyama

 

Men's 71kg R16:

 

 Madiev -  Eashash

 Walsh -  Zakharieiev

 Durkacz -  De Oliveira

 Rachem -  Cuellar

 Madoyan -  Cebotari

 Nishant Dev -  Yeasungnoen

 Richardson -  Muxanga

 Rangel -  Llanos Pérez

[avlar 585]

1 hour ago, dodge said:

No. Haven’t watched it. I’m not suggesting you’re wrong or right. 

 

I’m just saying that the judges have different viewpoints so can literally see things differently. That’s all 

 

 

Yes, I agree on the statement judges. 

 

By the way, what are the rules of the appeals at this tournament?

 

It is organized by the IOC not World Boxing or AIBA.

 

As far as I remember earlier the scores from judges could not be appealed. But the actions of referee could be appealed.

At the OG-2008 qualifying tournament (WCH) we used that rule to reinstate Lomachenko. He "lost" at the early stage, but was reinstated and won the tournament.

 

I am asking because our NOC is preparing an appeal to revise the bout - it is official information.

 

By the way the scores: 

 

and by round by judge

 

J1 - 9:10 - 10:9 - 10:9

J2 - 9:10 - 10:9 - 9:10

J3 - 10:9 - 9:10 - 10:9

J4 - 10:9 - 10:9 - 9:10

J5 - 9:10 - 9:10 - 9:10

 

 

 

 

[dodge 1,041]

There’s a great example. Not a single judge saw each of the 3 rounds the same way. 
 

If judge 1 gives the 3rd round against Walsh, then he loses. It’s so, so tight 

[Ogreman 379]

I had been thinking over the last couple of days that this thread had been remarkably civil and quiet for a boxing thread and then one controversial fight and boom, chaos.

So this Aidan Walsh- Yurii Zakharieiev fight. I don't think this was a robbery. It was an ugly ugly fight that could have gone either way but it wasn't a robbery.

I have watched this fight a couple of times now and I don't think any of the three rounds had a clear winner. I think I have settled on Zakharieiev edged the first round and Walsh edged the 2nd and 3rd but it was much of a muchness in all 3 rounds. The only point I thought either boxer definitively got on top was the last minute or so where Zakharieiev tired a bit and Walsh's straight shots started to land.

Look I don't think Walsh could have had much to complain about had the decision gone the other way but there were about 6/7 clean quality punches landed in the entire fight so I don't Zakharieiev can complain much either. I think if you showed that fight to 100 judges 55 or so probably go in favour of Walsh with 45 or so going the other way.

However, I do think two point deductions for punching the back of the head was harsh on Zakharieiev (he did infringe like, just 2 warnings is harsh) but the ref gave that straight back the other way for holding which again can't really complain about. I think the ref in the third round kind of decided he wasn't going to decide the fight by disqualifying either boxer with a third deduction and just left it up to the judges because neither of them stopped infringing.

The other thing I would mention is that while I don't like that it is a criteria judges do sometimes judge fights on who was "in control" of a fight. Its a really ambigous criteria but judges do sometimes use it and I don't think you could argue that that fight was fought in the style or at the pace that Zakharieiev wanted it.

Look if a boxer I was supporting lost a fight like that to Walsh I would be frustrated and like even I get frustrated with Walsh's style sometimes because he is a really clean punch picker when he wants to be but in big fights like this one he just retreats into this ultra defensive style. I get it, it has served him well getting him to the previous Olympics against Ievgenii Barabanov  and winning him commonwealth games against the then European finalists in Harris Akbar  and Garan Croft  but it is tough to watch.

But ye this fight could have gone either way and Ireland have had 3/4 of these type of decisions go against them at previous qualifying tournaments. Like Dmytro Lovchynskii  was a little fortunate to get the decision this morning against Ifeanyi Onyekwere . I'm not saying they even out because they don't really (sample size is too small) but you do win some and lose some. I'm not aware of any official appeals process. The IBA used to overturn 3-2 decisions and they have their bout review thing now which is essentially a sped up version of the same thing. However, not a single fight at any of these qualifying tournaments has been overturned after an appeal.

Anyway the best part is at W54kg Jennifer Lehane  meets Anastasiia Kovalchuk  in what should also be a close fight so we will get to do this all over again on Saturday.

Edited May 29, 2024 by Ogreman