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The initial list of medal events came out today. Both 4 x 400 meters relays for men and women have been dropped in favour of a mixed 4 x 400 relay. i posted the list earlier today. -
WOMEN´S TOURNAMENT -------------------------------------------------------------------- FINAL QUALIFYING ROUND Day 1 Results Round-Robin February 6th - February 9th, 2025 12 Nations, 3 Groups, the 1st Nation from each Group will qualify for the Women´s Ice Hockey Tournament at the Winter Olympic Games 2026 Group G Japan Standard Time (GMT +9) China PSO3 - 2 Poland Period-by-Period: 1-1, 0-0, 1-1, Overtime: 0-0, Penalty Shoot-Out: 1-0 February 6th 2025, h. 12:00, Nepia Ice Arena, Tomakomai Japan 7 - 1 France Period-by-Period: 3-0, 2-1, 2-0 February 6th 2025, h. 15:30, Nepia Ice Arena, Tomakomai Group G Provisional Standing After Day 1 Nation P W(OTW) L(OTL) GF GA +/- Pt. Japan 1 1(0) 0(0) 7 1 +6 3 China 1 1(1) 0(0) 3 2 +1 2 Poland 1 0(0) 1(1) 2 3 -1 1 France 1 0(0) 1(0) 1 7 -6 0 Group H Central European Time (GMT +1) Denmark 3 - 1 Netherlands Period-by-Period: 2-0, 0-1, 1-0 February 6th 2025, h. 14:00, Monitor ERP Arena, Gävle Sweden 3 - 0 Norway Period-by-Period: 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 February 6th 2025, h. 18:00, Monitor ERP Arena, Gävle Group H Provisional Standing After Day 1 Nation P W(OTW) L(OTL) GF GA +/- Pt. Sweden 1 1(0) 0(0) 3 0 +3 3 Denmark 1 1(0) 0(0) 3 1 +2 3 Netherlands 1 0(0) 1(0) 1 3 -2 0 Norway 1 0(0) 1(0) 0 3 -3 0 Group I Central European Time (GMT +1) Hungary 3 - 1 Slovakia Period-by-Period: 0-0, 1-1, 2-0 February 6th 2025, h. 16:00, Eisarena, Bremerhaven Germany 2 - 0 Austria Period-by-Period: 0-0, 2-0, 0-0 February 6th 2025, h. 19:30, Eisarena, Bremerhaven Group I Provisional Standing After Day 1 Nation P W(OTW) L(OTL) GF GA +/- Pt. Hungary 1 1(0) 0(0) 3 1 +2 3 Germany 1 1(0) 0(0) 2 0 +2 3 Slovakia 1 0(0) 1(0) 1 3 -2 0 Austria 1 0(0) 1(0) 0 2 -2 0 -
By Monzanator · Posted
Sadly that won't have Liliana Lewińska reinstated for the Olympics (she was the one robbed at the expense of the Russian representing ). Nothing to see here anyway. Gymnastics is one of the last sports where you have judges openly manipulating the results and nobody really cares. Trikomiti should be banned for life but yeah, let's move on. -
I'd love to, but logistically it is going to be such a difficult thing They somehow put 'the most geographically widespread Olympics ever!' as a positive marketing thing, but it's just really annoying for fans....we're going to look for an accomodation between Tesero and Antholz (I'd say around Bolzano or one of those lovely towns around it) and the ice hockey is like 3+ hours drive away.. Maybe for France 2030, but for Cortina I hope my priority in terms of what to watch is rather obvious -
I can pretty much agree with your predictions, no idea where they got their numbers from. -
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Can someone confirm they are not dropping the men's and women's 4 x 400 relays from the athletics programme? One of the sources I follow say only the mixed 4 x 400 will be held but I'm not convinced that's true -
I think I foun I think I found an answer on a skiing forum "This (obviously) isn't a technological question, it's a philosophical question. Anybody with the skills necessary to time a ski race to 0.01 would most certainly be capable of timing one to 0.001 or 0.0001, if the greater resolution was what the rules called for. "Here's the reason. "The FIS Timing Working Group has been trying to get rid of mechanical start gates since the 80's. They maintain until that happens, the random mechanical slop inherent in mechanical switches and the random flex inherent in start wands makes timing to .001 simply a random draw. And they've proved it. Repeatedly. "The FIS TWG made their decision based on data collected by my technical group at FIS World Cup and the World Alpine Chmps in the 90's (as TAG Heuer) and then revisited based on data we collected in the 00's (as Rolex). We installed several sets of cells downhill of the start gate (on the start ramp) at 1m intervals and collected data for both men and women across all the disciplines. Analysis of the data clearly showed that mechanical start gates are, to a relevant resolution, random number generators. "This is a question much like the one brought up at the summer Olympics in Munich in 1972. A few months before the Olympics, FINA announced they'd obtained the technology to time swimming to .001, and would start at The Games. FINA were subsequently contacted by the engineering firm who'd designed and supervised construction of the pool in Germany. Representatives from the firm sent FINA a mathematical proof showing that at speeds typical for Olympic swimmers, the pool wasn't built to sufficient tolerances to where all lanes were of equal length to a degree where .001 would be fair. And notice...to this day...swimming also still publishes results only to 0.01. FINA have shelved the idea of 0.001 for over 40 years because no mechanical engineer will certify a pool with walls and touchpad mounts so precisely built that 0.001 would be consistent and fair across all lanes. "Think about it from an engineering standpoint.....let's say you had a time base accurate to 0.0000001 and photocells only accurate to 1.0 seconds. Sure, you could publish results to 0.000001, but anything beyond a full second would be random and therefore useless. "Mechanical start gates are an anachronism, but the TWG has to date been unable to get rid of them. It's a tradition FIS hasn't been willing to part with. Until that happens, publishing results to resolutions beyond 0.01 simply isn't fair because it's not accurate. It's proven to be random. "On another note, at the 1999 World Alpine Chmps at Beaver Creek, where we (TAG Heuer) were official timing, there was a tie for first in the mens SG between Kjus and Maier. Naturally we had the tapes, so for fun we calculated who won without truncation. Of course we kept that tidbit of information to ourselves. Later that night, persons unknown (still unknown to this day) broke into the timing bldg at Birds of Prey and stole the tapes. The next day, the "real winner" was published in a bunch of newspapers in Europe, along with photos of the stolen tapes." "Yes, start gates are a technological mess. Not to mention there is no consistency, nor any flex standard, nor any thermocompensation standard, from wand to wand. So if you were to replace a wand mid-race, which most of us have done, you could be unknowingly changing your race results significantly. Certainly enough to break or make ties. "In the 90's, TAG Heuer had some very expensive experimental carbon fiber wands manufactured for World Cup because, in theory, carbon wands would be way stronger and hopefully more consistent than the fiberglass wands we were using at the time. This particular batch of wands was built by a Formula One supplier to a very tight tolerance, so they were supposedly very consistent and came with lab test data. The carbon wands worked great until we tried them at World Cup in Lake Louise @ -37C, whereupon they shattered like icicles every 5 racers or so. Working as an arm of TAG Heuer with factory support was a lot of fun back then because the big cheeses at the time, Jean Campiche and Ted Savage, were very interested in advancing the level of engineering, so we could get budgets to design and build new widgets and try new technologies from time to time. Some of the ideas worked, some of them didn't. "Having our tapes stolen at the WASC wasn't a catastrophe, but it was certainly amusing. They're not a secret. Any athlete or coach has the right to examine race tapes and do their own math, which is one of the successes of the TWG. It may seem like a big pain in the tush for timing geeks to fill out timing forms and submit their forms & tapes to the Chief of Timing, and I've certainly heard a ton of complaints about it. But in an era where there is extensive betting on ski racing and a lot of corruption & conflict of interest in the sports headlines, transparency is important. "I have no better idea than you as to whether wands will ever be replaced with photocells. I'm not on the TWG and I'm an engineer, not a politician. It's a FIS decision, a phrase which makes us all cringe. As a practical engineering matter, it's a no-brainer. Keep an unplugged start gate on the start post for TV and start the race with a photocell mounted 1m down the hill. Duh." "This (obviously) isn't a technological question, it's a philosophical question. Anybody with the skills necessary to time a ski race to 0.01 would most certainly be capable of timing one to 0.001 or 0.0001, if the greater resolution was what the rules called for. "Here's the reason. "The FIS Timing Working Group has been trying to get rid of mechanical start gates since the 80's. They maintain until that happens, the random mechanical slop inherent in mechanical switches and the random flex inherent in start wands makes timing to .001 simply a random draw. And they've proved it. Repeatedly. "The FIS TWG made their decision based on data collected by my technical group at FIS World Cup and the World Alpine Chmps in the 90's (as TAG Heuer) and then revisited based on data we collected in the 00's (as Rolex). We installed several sets of cells downhill of the start gate (on the start ramp) at 1m intervals and collected data for both men and women across all the disciplines. Analysis of the data clearly showed that mechanical start gates are, to a relevant resolution, random number generators. "This is a question much like the one brought up at the summer Olympics in Munich in 1972. A few months before the Olympics, FINA announced they'd obtained the technology to time swimming to .001, and would start at The Games. FINA were subsequently contacted by the engineering firm who'd designed and supervised construction of the pool in Germany. Representatives from the firm sent FINA a mathematical proof showing that at speeds typical for Olympic swimmers, the pool wasn't built to sufficient tolerances to where all lanes were of equal length to a degree where .001 would be fair. And notice...to this day...swimming also still publishes results only to 0.01. FINA have shelved the idea of 0.001 for over 40 years because no mechanical engineer will certify a pool with walls and touchpad mounts so precisely built that 0.001 would be consistent and fair across all lanes. "Think about it from an engineering standpoint.....let's say you had a time base accurate to 0.0000001 and photocells only accurate to 1.0 seconds. Sure, you could publish results to 0.000001, but anything beyond a full second would be random and therefore useless. "Mechanical start gates are an anachronism, but the TWG has to date been unable to get rid of them. It's a tradition FIS hasn't been willing to part with. Until that happens, publishing results to resolutions beyond 0.01 simply isn't fair because it's not accurate. It's proven to be random. "On another note, at the 1999 World Alpine Chmps at Beaver Creek, where we (TAG Heuer) were official timing, there was a tie for first in the mens SG between Kjus and Maier. Naturally we had the tapes, so for fun we calculated who won without truncation. Of course we kept that tidbit of information to ourselves. Later that night, persons unknown (still unknown to this day) broke into the timing bldg at Birds of Prey and stole the tapes. The next day, the "real winner" was published in a bunch of newspapers in Europe, along with photos of the stolen tapes." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Yes, start gates are a technological mess. Not to mention there is no consistency, nor any flex standard, nor any thermocompensation standard, from wand to wand. So if you were to replace a wand mid-race, which most of us have done, you could be unknowingly changing your race results significantly. Certainly enough to break or make ties. "In the 90's, TAG Heuer had some very expensive experimental carbon fiber wands manufactured for World Cup because, in theory, carbon wands would be way stronger and hopefully more consistent than the fiberglass wands we were using at the time. This particular batch of wands was built by a Formula One supplier to a very tight tolerance, so they were supposedly very consistent and came with lab test data. The carbon wands worked great until we tried them at World Cup in Lake Louise @ -37C, whereupon they shattered like icicles every 5 racers or so. Working as an arm of TAG Heuer with factory support was a lot of fun back then because the big cheeses at the time, Jean Campiche and Ted Savage, were very interested in advancing the level of engineering, so we could get budgets to design and build new widgets and try new technologies from time to time. Some of the ideas worked, some of them didn't. "Having our tapes stolen at the WASC wasn't a catastrophe, but it was certainly amusing. They're not a secret. Any athlete or coach has the right to examine race tapes and do their own math, which is one of the successes of the TWG. It may seem like a big pain in the tush for timing geeks to fill out timing forms and submit their forms & tapes to the Chief of Timing, and I've certainly heard a ton of complaints about it. But in an era where there is extensive betting on ski racing and a lot of corruption & conflict of interest in the sports headlines, transparency is important. "I have no better idea than you as to whether wands will ever be replaced with photocells. I'm not on the TWG and I'm an engineer, not a politician. It's a FIS decision, a phrase which makes us all cringe. As a practical engineering matter, it's a no-brainer. Keep an unplugged start gate on the start post for TV and start the race with a photocell mounted 1m down the hill. Duh." "So there you have it, no point in going to higher accuracy results reporting, the mechanical start gate assembly makes it pointless."
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yes, it is, but FIS doesn't want to go that deep -
Probably a casualty of reduced athlete numbers because they're not building an athlete's village.
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