Swimming 2024 Discussion Thread

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12 hours ago, heywoodu said:

This raises a question I find interesting: which relatively decent swimming nations are missing from here entirely? caught my eye of course, but surely there's others? Like other countries that are known for never really being strong among juniors compared to their senior results?

Brazil doesn't have any entries. There's also Sweden that doesn't have any entries but they're better on the women's side (although they don't have any women in the top 10 either).

 

Australia with only two entries also feels pretty low for them.

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10 hours ago, hckošice said:

who´s this guy ? never heard of him

I'm also not too familiar with him. Don't think he's ever competed for Slovakia internationally. My guess is he's an American of Slovakian descent. Perhaps he recently decided to compete for Slovakia? He was competing at the US Olympic Trials but he's listed as the Slovakian record holder on Wikipedia and the Swimrankings site. It could also just be a mistake and he intends to represent the US.

 

Swimrankings - PERECINSKY, Martin

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2024 Girls World Junior Rankings

 

20 countries are represented in these rankings. YOB = Year of Birth.

 

50m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Olivia WUNSCH	24.45	Australian Olympic Trials
2		2006	Sara CURTIS	24.56	Italian Championships
3		2009	Rylee ERISMAN	24.62	US Olympic Trials
4		2007	Jana PAVALIC	24.67	European Championships
5		2006	Milla JANSEN	24.76	Junior Pan Pacs
6		2006	Eva OKARO	24.91	Sette Colli
7		2006	LYU Yue	25.04	World Championships
7		2006	Hannah CASEY	25.04	Junior Pan Pacs
9		2007	Julie MISHLER	25.06	USA Meet Indianapolis
10		2006	LIU Shuhan	25.11	Chinese Championships
10		2007	Annam OLASEWERE	25.11	TYR Pro Swim Series San Antonio
100m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Olivia WUNSCH	53.17	Australian Olympic Trials
2		2009	Rylee ERISMAN	53.75	Junior Pan Pacs
3		2006	Milla JANSEN	53.81	Junior Pan Pacs
4		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	53.90	Canadian Open
5		2006	Nikolett PADAR	54.17	European Championships
5		2006	Sara CURTIS	54.22	European Juniors
7		2006	Minna ABRAHAM	54.28	European Juniors
8		2006	Alex SHACKELL	54.38	USA Meet Indianapolis
9		2006	Eva OKARO	54.46	British Championships
10		2007	Maria DAZA	54.50	Spanish Trials
200m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	1:53.69	Canadian Trials
2		2007	Claire WEINSTEIN	1:54.88	Olympics
3		2006	Nikolett PADAR	1:56.14	Olympics
4		2008	KONG Yaqi	1:57.04	Chinese Championships
5		2006	Alex SHACKELL	1:57.05	US Olympic Trials
6		2006	Katie GRIMES	1:57.19	US Olympic Trials
7		2006	Minna ABRAHAM	1:57.22	European Championships
8		2007	YANG Peiqi	1:57.43	Chinese Championships
9		2006	Julie BROUSSEAU	1:57.60	Canadian Trials
10		2006	Inez MILLER	1:57.72	Junior Pan Pacs
400m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	3:58.37	Olympics
2		2007	Claire WEINSTEIN	4:04.54	TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
3		2008	Sofia DIAKOVA	4:05.16	Russian Swimming Cup
4		2007	YANG Peiqi	4:05.25	Chinese Championships
5		2006	MA Yonghui	4:06.59	Chinese Championships
6		2008	GAO Weizhong	4:06.60	Chinese Championships
7		2009	Kseniia MISHARINA	4:06.67	15th International Meet
8		2007	Madi MINTENKO	4:07.53	US Olympic Trials
9		2006	Julie BROUSSEAU	4:08.12	Canadian Trials
10		2008	Kayla HAN	4:08.21	US Olympic Trials
10		2006	Katie GRIMES	4:08.21	Grand Challenge
800m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	8:11.39	USA Meet Orlando
2		2006	Katie GRIMES	8:21.51	Swim Meet of Champions
3		2007	Claire WEINSTEIN	8:23.73	TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
4		2009	Kseniia MISHARINA	8:27.36	Russian Swimming Cup
5		2008	GAO Weizhong	8:27.97	Chinese Championships
6		2008	Agostina HEIN	8:29.19	World Championships
7		2006	MA Yonghui	8:29.24	Chinese Championships
8		2009	MAO Yihan	8:29.57	Chinese Championships
9		2009	Amelie BLOCKSIDGE	8:30.05	European Juniors
10		2008	Vivien JACKL	8:30.74	Hungarian Championships
1500m Freestyle
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Katie GRIMES	15:57.31	Swim Meet of Champions
2		2009	Kseniia MISHARINA	16:06.09	Russian Championships
3		2008	GAO Weizhong	16:06.19	Chinese Championships
4		2008	Vivien JACKL	16:06.37	European Championships
5		2009	Amelie BLOCKSIDGE	16:10.04	British Meet Manchester
6		2007	YANG Peiqi	16:13.08	World Championships
7		2006	MA Yonghui	16:16.18	Chinese Championships
8		2007	Emma GIANNELLI	16:17.19	European Juniors
9		2009	MAO Yihan	16:17.95	Chinese Championships
10		2008	Agostina HEIN	16:21.68	World Championships
100m Backstroke
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Leah SHACKLEY	59.05	US Olympic Trials
2		2006	Jaclyn BARCLAY	59.28	World Championships
3		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	59.64	USA Meet Orlando
4		2006	Teagan O'DELL	59.72	US Olympic Trials
5		2008	Charlotte CRUSH	59.86	US Olympic Trials
6		2006	Erika PELAEZ	59.95	US Olympic Trials
7		2009	Rylee ERISMAN	1:00.04	US Olympic Trials
8		2006	Delia LLOYD	1:00.43	Ontario Summer Nationals
9		2006	LEE Eunji	1:00.45	Korean Championships
10		2007	Zoe AMMUNDSEN	1:00.46	Australian Age Group Nationals
200m Backstroke
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Jaclyn BARCLAY	2:07.03	World Championships
2		2006	Katie GRIMES	2:07.72	US Olympic Trials
3		2006	Teagan O'DELL	2:07.97	US Olympic Trials
4		2006	Leah SHACKLEY	2:08.19	Junior Pan Pacs
5		2006	Dora MOLNAR	2:09.02	European Championships
6		2006	Lilla BOGNAR	2:09.51	US Olympic Trials
7		2009	Audrey DERIVAUX	2:09.61	USA Futures Championships
8		2008	ZHANG Jingyan	2:09.70	Chinese Championships
9		2009	SUN Mingxia	2:09.75	Chinese Championships
10		2006	LEE Eunji	2:09.88	Olympics
100m Breaststroke
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Eneli JEFIMOVA	1:06.08	European Juniors
2		2009	Sienna TOOHEY	1:07.01	Australian Olympic Trials
3		2006	Piper ENGE	1:07.27	Speedo Sectionals - Federal Way
4		2006	Kotomi KATO	1:07.45	Junior Pan Pacs
5		2007	Monique WIERUSZOWSKI	1:07.67	Auckland Championships
6		2007	Smilte PLYTNYKAITE	1:07.91	European Juniors
7		2008	KO Haru	1:08.03	Korean Championships
8		2007	PARK Sieun	1:08.18	Korean Championships
9		2008	Nayara PINEDA	1:08.29	Spanish Winter Championships
10		2006	Irene MATI	1:08.32	Italian Championships
200m Breaststroke
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Kotomi KATO	2:24.73	Junior Pan Pacs
2		2007	PARK Sieun	2:25.46	Korean Championships
3		2008	MOON Sua	2:26.69	Korean Championships
4		2006	Mina NAKAZAWA	2:27.00	Japan Olympic Trials
5		2006	Eneli JEFIMOVA	2:27.01	AP Race
6		2007	Kotomi SATO	2:27.02	Japan Olympic Trials
7		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	2:27.23	USA Meet Orlando
8		2010	LYU Qinyao	2:27.24	Chinese Championships
9		2007	Lena LUDWIG	2:27.45	German Championships
9		2008	Nayara PINEDA	2:27.45	World Championships
100m Butterfly
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2007	Mizuki HIRAI (WJR)	56.33	Kanagawa High School Meet
2		2006	Alex SHACKELL	56.78	US Olympic Trials
3		2006	Summer MCINTOSH	57.19	Canadian Open
4		2006	Lana PUDAR	57.97	Olympics
5		2009	Audrey DERIVAUX	57.99	Junior Pan Pacs
6		2007	Martine DAMBORG	58.09	Danish Open
7		2006	CHEN Luying	58.11	Chinese Championships
8		2008	Charlotte CRUSH	58.19	Junior Pan Pacs
9		2006	Olivia WUNSCH	58.30	Australian Olympic Trials
10		2006	Leah SHACKLEY	58.39	TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
200m Butterfly
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH (WJR)	2:03.03	Olympics
2		2006	Alex SHACKELL	2:06.10	US Olympic Trials
3		2006	CHEN Luying	2:06.81	Chinese Championships
4		2009	GONG Zhenqi	2:07.28	Chinese Championships
5		2009	Audrey DERIVAUX	2:07.70	USA Futures Championships
6		2006	Lana PUDAR	2:07.92	World Championships
7		2006	MA Yonghui	2:08.73	World Championships
8		2006	Laura CABANES	2:09.03	Spanish Trials
9		2006	Katie GRIMES	2:09.22	Swim Meet of Champions
10		2007	Sarah DUMONT	2:09.64	European Juniors
200m Individual Medley
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH (WJR)	2:06.56	Olympics
2		2006	Mio NARITA	2:10.11	Konami Open
3		2006	Teagan O'DELL	2:11.57	Junior Pan Pacs
4		2007	ZHENG Huiyu	2:11.63	Chinese Championships
5		2006	Lilla BOGNAR	2:11.77	Junior Pan Pacs
6		2006	Laura CABANES	2:12.28	Spanish Trials
7		2008	Misuzu NAGAOKA	2:12.31	Junior Pan Pacs
8		2007	CHEN Xin	2:12.66	Chinese Championships
9		2009	Mana ISHIKAWA	2:13.19	Japan Olympic Trials
10		2008	Linda ROTH	2:13.19	German Juniors
400m Individual Medley
Rank	Nation	YOB	Swimmer	Time	Competition
1		2006	Summer MCINTOSH (WR)	4:24.38	Canadian Trials
2		2006	Katie GRIMES	4:32.45	Swim Meet of Champions
3		2008	Vivien JACKL	4:34.96	Hungarian Championships
4		2006	Mio NARITA	4:35.40	Japan Olympic Trials
5		2006	Lilla BOGNAR	4:37.86	US Olympic Trials
6		2006	Laura CABANES	4:39.99	Spanish Trials
7		2012	YU Zidi	4:40.97	Chinese Championships
8		2008	Misuzu NAGAOKA	4:41.57	Junior Pan Pacs
9		2007	Sarah DUMONT	4:42.44	European Juniors
10		2008	Kayla HAN	4:43.09	Speedo Summer Championships

Edited August 28 by Topicmaster1010

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[Josh 10,510]

 Dressel will focus on the 50m freestyle for the upcoming Olympic quad. 
 

https://swimswam.com/caeleb-dressel-affirms-commitment-to-train-for-los-angeles-2028-olympics-focusing-on-50-free/#comments

[Topicmaster1010 4,179]

I legitimately can't comprehend this

 

https://swimswam.com/11-yr-old-yu-zidi-crushes-20986200fly-21257-200im-at-chinese-summer-championships/

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25 minutes ago, Topicmaster1010 said:

I legitimately can't comprehend this

 

https://swimswam.com/11-yr-old-yu-zidi-crushes-20986200fly-21257-200im-at-chinese-summer-championships/

Not saying she’s doping or anything, but the time is so incredible (it’s good even for 17-18 year olds) that I begin to wonder what the Chinese coaches are putting her through during training. 
 

I mean, she raced in 10 events at the Chinese Olympic Trials… even Phelps at Beijing 2008 didn’t have a schedule that big…
 

Either way to me it’s hard to see her performing at the highest level beyond her 20s. 

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28 minutes ago, Josh said:

Not saying she’s doping or anything, but the time is so incredible (it’s good even for 17-18 year olds) that I begin to wonder what the Chinese coaches are putting her through during training. 
 

I mean, she raced in 10 events at the Chinese Olympic Trials… even Phelps at Beijing 2008 didn’t have a schedule that big…
 

Either way to me it’s hard to see her performing at the highest level beyond her 20s. 

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.

Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TeamGB said:

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.

Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

When you have complete control of a population of a billion or so, you can use the Jan Ullrich model.

 

As famously described, I think, by Tyler Hamilton, regardless of the doping, you had to understand Ullrich was ( a bit like Katrin Krabbe) the last prodigy of the east german system - and that system was notorious even beyond doping - it simply threw every talented egg it had as hard as it could at the wall, then selected the one's that  coped best in the long run - As Hamilton put it - Ullrich was the egg that couldn't break, except once GDR died, the system collapsed, and Jan found beer.

 

I get the feeling the Chinese trow a lot of eggs at a lot of walls, in the hope of finding a few that won't crack. What happens the broken eggs is not a matter that concerns the system greatly.

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8 hours ago, TeamGB said:

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.

Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

Are they that desperate to win junior medals to do that? I can understand the opposite and making people older than they are so they can compete,