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12 hours ago, heywoodu said:

This raises a question I find interesting: which relatively decent swimming nations are missing from here entirely? :NED caught my eye of course, but surely there's others? Like other countries that are known for never really being strong among juniors compared to their senior results?

Brazil doesn't have any entries. There's also Sweden that doesn't have any entries but they're better on the women's side (although they don't have any women in the top 10 either).

 

Australia with only two entries also feels pretty low for them.

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10 hours ago, hckošice said:

who´s this guy ? never heard of him

I'm also not too familiar with him. Don't think he's ever competed for Slovakia internationally. My guess is he's an American of Slovakian descent. Perhaps he recently decided to compete for Slovakia? He was competing at the US Olympic Trials but he's listed as the Slovakian record holder on Wikipedia and the Swimrankings site. It could also just be a mistake and he intends to represent the US.

 

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2024 Girls World Junior Rankings

 

20 countries are represented in these rankings. YOB = Year of Birth.

 

50m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :AUS 2006 Olivia WUNSCH 24.45 Australian Olympic Trials
2 :ITA 2006 Sara CURTIS 24.56 Italian Championships
3 :USA 2009 Rylee ERISMAN 24.62 US Olympic Trials
4 :CRO 2007 Jana PAVALIC 24.67 European Championships
5 :AUS 2006 Milla JANSEN 24.76 Junior Pan Pacs
6 :GBR 2006 Eva OKARO 24.91 Sette Colli
7 :CHN 2006 LYU Yue 25.04 World Championships
7 :AUS 2006 Hannah CASEY 25.04 Junior Pan Pacs
9 :USA 2007 Julie MISHLER 25.06 USA Meet Indianapolis
10 :CHN 2006 LIU Shuhan 25.11 Chinese Championships
10 :USA 2007 Annam OLASEWERE 25.11 TYR Pro Swim Series San Antonio
100m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :AUS 2006 Olivia WUNSCH 53.17 Australian Olympic Trials
2 :USA 2009 Rylee ERISMAN 53.75 Junior Pan Pacs
3 :AUS 2006 Milla JANSEN 53.81 Junior Pan Pacs
4 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 53.90 Canadian Open
5 :HUN 2006 Nikolett PADAR 54.17 European Championships
5 :ITA 2006 Sara CURTIS 54.22 European Juniors
7 :HUN 2006 Minna ABRAHAM 54.28 European Juniors
8 :USA 2006 Alex SHACKELL 54.38 USA Meet Indianapolis
9 :GBR 2006 Eva OKARO 54.46 British Championships
10 :ESP 2007 Maria DAZA 54.50 Spanish Trials
200m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 1:53.69 Canadian Trials
2 :USA 2007 Claire WEINSTEIN 1:54.88 Olympics
3 :HUN 2006 Nikolett PADAR 1:56.14 Olympics
4 :CHN 2008 KONG Yaqi 1:57.04 Chinese Championships
5 :USA 2006 Alex SHACKELL 1:57.05 US Olympic Trials
6 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 1:57.19 US Olympic Trials
7 :HUN 2006 Minna ABRAHAM 1:57.22 European Championships
8 :CHN 2007 YANG Peiqi 1:57.43 Chinese Championships
9 :CAN 2006 Julie BROUSSEAU 1:57.60 Canadian Trials
10 :AUS 2006 Inez MILLER 1:57.72 Junior Pan Pacs
400m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 3:58.37 Olympics
2 :USA 2007 Claire WEINSTEIN 4:04.54 TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
3 :RUS 2008 Sofia DIAKOVA 4:05.16 Russian Swimming Cup
4 :CHN 2007 YANG Peiqi 4:05.25 Chinese Championships
5 :CHN 2006 MA Yonghui 4:06.59 Chinese Championships
6 :CHN 2008 GAO Weizhong 4:06.60 Chinese Championships
7 :RUS 2009 Kseniia MISHARINA 4:06.67 15th International Meet
8 :USA 2007 Madi MINTENKO 4:07.53 US Olympic Trials
9 :CAN 2006 Julie BROUSSEAU 4:08.12 Canadian Trials
10 :USA 2008 Kayla HAN 4:08.21 US Olympic Trials
10 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 4:08.21 Grand Challenge
800m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 8:11.39 USA Meet Orlando
2 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 8:21.51 Swim Meet of Champions
3 :USA 2007 Claire WEINSTEIN 8:23.73 TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
4 :RUS 2009 Kseniia MISHARINA 8:27.36 Russian Swimming Cup
5 :CHN 2008 GAO Weizhong 8:27.97 Chinese Championships
6 :ARG 2008 Agostina HEIN 8:29.19 World Championships
7 :CHN 2006 MA Yonghui 8:29.24 Chinese Championships
8 :CHN 2009 MAO Yihan 8:29.57 Chinese Championships
9 :GBR 2009 Amelie BLOCKSIDGE 8:30.05 European Juniors
10 :HUN 2008 Vivien JACKL 8:30.74 Hungarian Championships
1500m Freestyle
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 15:57.31 Swim Meet of Champions
2 :RUS 2009 Kseniia MISHARINA 16:06.09 Russian Championships
3 :CHN 2008 GAO Weizhong 16:06.19 Chinese Championships
4 :HUN 2008 Vivien JACKL 16:06.37 European Championships
5 :GBR 2009 Amelie BLOCKSIDGE 16:10.04 British Meet Manchester
6 :CHN 2007 YANG Peiqi 16:13.08 World Championships
7 :CHN 2006 MA Yonghui 16:16.18 Chinese Championships
8 :ITA 2007 Emma GIANNELLI 16:17.19 European Juniors
9 :CHN 2009 MAO Yihan 16:17.95 Chinese Championships
10 :ARG 2008 Agostina HEIN 16:21.68 World Championships
100m Backstroke
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :USA 2006 Leah SHACKLEY 59.05 US Olympic Trials
2 :AUS 2006 Jaclyn BARCLAY 59.28 World Championships
3 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 59.64 USA Meet Orlando
4 :USA 2006 Teagan O'DELL 59.72 US Olympic Trials
5 :USA 2008 Charlotte CRUSH 59.86 US Olympic Trials
6 :USA 2006 Erika PELAEZ 59.95 US Olympic Trials
7 :USA 2009 Rylee ERISMAN 1:00.04 US Olympic Trials
8 :CAN 2006 Delia LLOYD 1:00.43 Ontario Summer Nationals
9 :KOR 2006 LEE Eunji 1:00.45 Korean Championships
10 :AUS 2007 Zoe AMMUNDSEN 1:00.46 Australian Age Group Nationals
200m Backstroke
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :AUS 2006 Jaclyn BARCLAY 2:07.03 World Championships
2 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 2:07.72 US Olympic Trials
3 :USA 2006 Teagan O'DELL 2:07.97 US Olympic Trials
4 :USA 2006 Leah SHACKLEY 2:08.19 Junior Pan Pacs
5 :HUN 2006 Dora MOLNAR 2:09.02 European Championships
6 :USA 2006 Lilla BOGNAR 2:09.51 US Olympic Trials
7 :USA 2009 Audrey DERIVAUX 2:09.61 USA Futures Championships
8 :CHN 2008 ZHANG Jingyan 2:09.70 Chinese Championships
9 :CHN 2009 SUN Mingxia 2:09.75 Chinese Championships
10 :KOR 2006 LEE Eunji 2:09.88 Olympics
100m Breaststroke
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :EST 2006 Eneli JEFIMOVA 1:06.08 European Juniors
2 :AUS 2009 Sienna TOOHEY 1:07.01 Australian Olympic Trials
3 :USA 2006 Piper ENGE 1:07.27 Speedo Sectionals - Federal Way
4 :JPN 2006 Kotomi KATO 1:07.45 Junior Pan Pacs
5 :NZL 2007 Monique WIERUSZOWSKI 1:07.67 Auckland Championships
6 :LTU 2007 Smilte PLYTNYKAITE 1:07.91 European Juniors
7 :KOR 2008 KO Haru 1:08.03 Korean Championships
8 :KOR 2007 PARK Sieun 1:08.18 Korean Championships
9 :ESP 2008 Nayara PINEDA 1:08.29 Spanish Winter Championships
10 :ITA 2006 Irene MATI 1:08.32 Italian Championships
200m Breaststroke
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :JPN 2006 Kotomi KATO 2:24.73 Junior Pan Pacs
2 :KOR 2007 PARK Sieun 2:25.46 Korean Championships
3 :KOR 2008 MOON Sua 2:26.69 Korean Championships
4 :JPN 2006 Mina NAKAZAWA 2:27.00 Japan Olympic Trials
5 :EST 2006 Eneli JEFIMOVA 2:27.01 AP Race
6 :JPN 2007 Kotomi SATO 2:27.02 Japan Olympic Trials
7 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 2:27.23 USA Meet Orlando
8 :CHN 2010 LYU Qinyao 2:27.24 Chinese Championships
9 :GER 2007 Lena LUDWIG 2:27.45 German Championships
9 :ESP 2008 Nayara PINEDA 2:27.45 World Championships
100m Butterfly
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :JPN 2007 Mizuki HIRAI (WJR) 56.33 Kanagawa High School Meet
2 :USA 2006 Alex SHACKELL 56.78 US Olympic Trials
3 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH 57.19 Canadian Open
4 :BIH 2006 Lana PUDAR 57.97 Olympics
5 :USA 2009 Audrey DERIVAUX 57.99 Junior Pan Pacs
6 :DEN 2007 Martine DAMBORG 58.09 Danish Open
7 :CHN 2006 CHEN Luying 58.11 Chinese Championships
8 :USA 2008 Charlotte CRUSH 58.19 Junior Pan Pacs
9 :AUS 2006 Olivia WUNSCH 58.30 Australian Olympic Trials
10 :USA 2006 Leah SHACKLEY 58.39 TYR Pro Swim Series Westmont
200m Butterfly
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH (WJR) 2:03.03 Olympics
2 :USA 2006 Alex SHACKELL 2:06.10 US Olympic Trials
3 :CHN 2006 CHEN Luying 2:06.81 Chinese Championships
4 :CHN 2009 GONG Zhenqi 2:07.28 Chinese Championships
5 :USA 2009 Audrey DERIVAUX 2:07.70 USA Futures Championships
6 :BIH 2006 Lana PUDAR 2:07.92 World Championships
7 :CHN 2006 MA Yonghui 2:08.73 World Championships
8 :ESP 2006 Laura CABANES 2:09.03 Spanish Trials
9 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 2:09.22 Swim Meet of Champions
10 :BEL 2007 Sarah DUMONT 2:09.64 European Juniors
200m Individual Medley
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH (WJR) 2:06.56 Olympics
2 :JPN 2006 Mio NARITA 2:10.11 Konami Open
3 :USA 2006 Teagan O'DELL 2:11.57 Junior Pan Pacs
4 :CHN 2007 ZHENG Huiyu 2:11.63 Chinese Championships
5 :USA 2006 Lilla BOGNAR 2:11.77 Junior Pan Pacs
6 :ESP 2006 Laura CABANES 2:12.28 Spanish Trials
7 :JPN 2008 Misuzu NAGAOKA 2:12.31 Junior Pan Pacs
8 :CHN 2007 CHEN Xin 2:12.66 Chinese Championships
9 :JPN 2009 Mana ISHIKAWA 2:13.19 Japan Olympic Trials
10 :GER 2008 Linda ROTH 2:13.19 German Juniors
400m Individual Medley
Rank Nation YOB Swimmer Time Competition
1 :CAN 2006 Summer MCINTOSH (WR) 4:24.38 Canadian Trials
2 :USA 2006 Katie GRIMES 4:32.45 Swim Meet of Champions
3 :HUN 2008 Vivien JACKL 4:34.96 Hungarian Championships
4 :JPN 2006 Mio NARITA 4:35.40 Japan Olympic Trials
5 :USA 2006 Lilla BOGNAR 4:37.86 US Olympic Trials
6 :ESP 2006 Laura CABANES 4:39.99 Spanish Trials
7 :CHN 2012 YU Zidi 4:40.97 Chinese Championships
8 :JPN 2008 Misuzu NAGAOKA 4:41.57 Junior Pan Pacs
9 :BEL 2007 Sarah DUMONT 4:42.44 European Juniors
10 :USA 2008 Kayla HAN 4:43.09 Speedo Summer Championships
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25 minutes ago, Topicmaster1010 said:

I legitimately can't comprehend this

 

https://swimswam.com/11-yr-old-yu-zidi-crushes-20986200fly-21257-200im-at-chinese-summer-championships/

Not saying she’s doping or anything, but the time is so incredible (it’s good even for 17-18 year olds) that I begin to wonder what the Chinese coaches are putting her through during training. 
 

I mean, she raced in 10 events at the Chinese Olympic Trials… even Phelps at Beijing 2008 didn’t have a schedule that big…
 

Either way to me it’s hard to see her performing at the highest level beyond her 20s. 

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28 minutes ago, Josh said:

Not saying she’s doping or anything, but the time is so incredible (it’s good even for 17-18 year olds) that I begin to wonder what the Chinese coaches are putting her through during training. 
 

I mean, she raced in 10 events at the Chinese Olympic Trials… even Phelps at Beijing 2008 didn’t have a schedule that big…
 

Either way to me it’s hard to see her performing at the highest level beyond her 20s. 

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.


Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TeamGB said:

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.


Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

When you have complete control of a population of a billion or so, you can use the Jan Ullrich model.

 

As famously described, I think, by Tyler Hamilton, regardless of the doping, you had to understand Ullrich was ( a bit like Katrin Krabbe) the last prodigy of the east german system - and that system was notorious even beyond doping - it simply threw every talented egg it had as hard as it could at the wall, then selected the one's that  coped best in the long run - As Hamilton put it - Ullrich was the egg that couldn't break, except once GDR died, the system collapsed, and Jan found beer.

 

I get the feeling the Chinese trow a lot of eggs at a lot of walls, in the hope of finding a few that won't crack. What happens the broken eggs is not a matter that concerns the system greatly.

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8 hours ago, TeamGB said:

Yeah you do have to worry whether she is being taken advantage of in someway by the Chinese coaches, and being forced to overtrain.


Clearly those performances are wildly impressive, but my 2 caveats.

 

China has a long history of falsifying ages of swimmers, although those performances for a swimmer several years older than 11 would still be crazy.

 

Genetically, younger Chinese females have excellent swimming Physiques, being very tall and thin As they develop they grow wider and lose some of that benefical body shape. 

 

There have been many younger Chinese swimmers in the past who have put in draw dropping times and then faded in obscurity.

 

Despite this, her performances and her depth are remarkable and she could be a generational talent, but we can’t jump on the bandwagon yet.

 

 

Are they that desperate to win junior medals to do that? I can understand the opposite and making people older than they are so they can compete, 

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