Monzanator 3,600 Posted July 23, 2019 #271 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, heywoodu said: Bernal would win if he was allowed to win The one time he was showing himself to clearly be stronger than Thomas, they let Poels ride for Thomas to bring him back to Bernal Doesn't Bernal need to improve his TT first? I feel like he's always losing time there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,562 Posted July 23, 2019 #272 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, Monzanator said: Doesn't Bernal need to improve his TT first? I feel like he's always losing time there? Oh yes, he's definitely not a great TT rider. He is, at least potentially, by far the best climber though. Honestly I prefer great climbers who have to defend and manage their losses in the TT than the other way around (Dumoulin, Thomas for example) If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,600 Posted July 23, 2019 #273 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, heywoodu said: Oh yes, he's definitely not a great TT rider. He is, at least potentially, by far the best climber though. Honestly I prefer great climbers who have to defend and manage their losses in the TT than the other way around (Dumoulin, Thomas for example) Who was the last regular stage tour winner that was losing so much time in TT though? I've been watching some of this stuff since the days of Delgado & Indurain and they were pretty expert at ITT which is largely forgotten these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,562 Posted July 23, 2019 #274 Share Posted July 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Who was the last regular stage tour winner that was losing so much time in TT though? I've been watching some of this stuff since the days of Delgado & Indurain and they were pretty expert at ITT which is largely forgotten these days. Ah yeah, Delgado the ITT expert, who lost the Tour because he was 3 minutes too late for the start of his ITT (of course I get the point) If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,562 Posted July 23, 2019 #275 Share Posted July 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Who was the last regular stage tour winner that was losing so much time in TT though? I would say Mandy/Abandy/Brandy/Andy Schleck If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,275 Posted July 23, 2019 #276 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Stage 16 Tuesday - July 23rd, 2019 h. 13:30 (GMT +2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nimes - Nimes 177km - Flat STAGE CLASSIFICATION EWAN Caleb 3:57:08 VIVIANI Elia +0 GROENEWEGEN Dylan +0 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GENERAL CLASSIFICATION ALAPHILIPPE Julian 64:57:30 THOMAS Geraint +1:35 KRUIJSWIJK Steven +1:47 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POINTS CLASSIFICATION SAGAN Peter 309 VIVIANI Elia 224 COLBRELLI Sonny 203 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLIMBER CLASSIFICATION WELLENS Tim 64 PINOT Thibaut 50 DE GENDT Thomas 37 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOUTH CLASSIFICATION BERNAL Egan 64:59:32 GAUDU David +13:31 MAS Enric +42:00 Complete Standing HERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAST KILOMETER REPLAY STAGE HIGHLIGHTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,600 Posted July 23, 2019 #277 Share Posted July 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, heywoodu said: I would say Mandy/Abandy/Brandy/Andy Schleck Huh? I used to think Schleck was a one-day/Monuments speciallist rather than stage tour rider tbh? Bit like Kwiatkowski these days who will never be in the mix for any of these stage races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,562 Posted July 23, 2019 #278 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Huh? I used to think Schleck was a one-day/Monuments speciallist rather than stage tour rider tbh? Bit like Kwiatkowski these days who will never be in the mix for any of these stage races. With a GT win and three second places spread through the years (and not really after classic succes) I'd say he was both. Although it wasn't really clear what you meant exactly with 'a regular stage tour winner' Agger 1 If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,600 Posted July 23, 2019 #279 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, heywoodu said: With a GT win and three second places spread through the years (and not really after classic succes) I'd say he was both. Although it wasn't really clear what you meant exactly with 'a regular stage tour winner' Schleck's GT window was pretty small so it makes it even more curious. It seems like he evolved from being a one-day speciallist almost by fluke and his brother got busted on doping so it's even more fishy. Kwiatkowski won Tirreno-Adriatico and has podium finishes in Paris-Nice & Basque Country but he's not a GT contender. Regular GT contender is someone who goes for the overall GT win for the best part of 10 years or more. Schleck ain't one. And I realize someone might be a late bloomer only because he is held back by team orders like LeMond for Hinault or Froome for Wiggins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,562 Posted July 23, 2019 #280 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Monzanator said: Schleck's GT window was pretty small so it makes it even more curious. It seems like he evolved from being a one-day speciallist almost by fluke and his brother got busted on doping so it's even more fishy. Kwiatkowski won Tirreno-Adriatico and has podium finishes in Paris-Nice & Basque Country but he's not a GT contender. Regular GT contender is someone who goes for the overall GT win for the best part of 10 years or more. Schleck ain't one. And I realize someone might be a late bloomer only because he is held back by team orders like LeMond for Hinault or Froome for Wiggins. Bauke Mollema If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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