Modern Pentathlon 2022 Discussion Thread

[Vojthas 949]

  On 5/3/2022 at 2:02 PM, Monzanator said:

there's no way MP has any celebrities or other VIPs trying to defend it.

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Samaranch Jr, Prince Albert II, baron de Coubertin itself...

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  On 5/3/2022 at 2:02 PM, Monzanator said:

What stops IOC from removing MP from the Olympic programme?

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It’s already no longer a core sport as things stand so… one could make a decent argument that as it stands it has already been removed from the Olympic program post Paris 2024.

[JoshMartini007 2,572]

Yeah the IOC wants the UIPM to modernize and become more accessible, no where does it state they want them to remove jumping specifically. With that said, removing jumping would make the sport more accessible for athletes.

 

I personally would like a more continuous event, sort of like triathlon. Start with fencing to get a staggered time, change jumping to cross-country riding, after finishing, riders dismount and head straight to the pool and then finish off with running/shooting.

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 5/3/2022 at 3:08 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

Yeah the IOC wants the UIPM to modernize and become more accessible, no where does it state they want them to remove jumping specifically. With that said, removing jumping would make the sport more accessible for athletes.

 

I personally would like a more continuous event, sort of like triathlon. Start with fencing to get a staggered time, change jumping to cross-country riding, after finishing, riders dismount and head straight to the pool and then finish off with running/shooting.

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It's more like trying to find a creative way to justify the axe. Lack of "accessibility" is a perfect excuse to kill a sport off. Triathlon is largely boring like mass starts in cross country or flat stages in cycling. Everyone knows things will only happen in the last 2% of the course.

 

Cross country jumping is more dangerous than a show jumping parcour - you can't sell the idea of looking after animal's safety and replace the safer event with a more dangerous one. That one is DOA.

[JoshMartini007 2,572]

  On 5/3/2022 at 3:23 PM, Monzanator said:

 

It's more like trying to find a creative way to justify the axe. Lack of "accessibility" is a perfect excuse to kill a sport off. Triathlon is largely boring like mass starts in cross country or flat stages in cycling. Everyone knows things will only happen in the last 2% of the course.

 

Cross country jumping is more dangerous than a show jumping parcour - you can't sell the idea of looking after animal's safety and replace the safer event with a more dangerous one. That one is DOA.

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It's true though, modern pentathlon has an accessibility problem and that will likely cause it to be removed from the Olympics. Sports aren't entitled to be in the Olympics. Throw in the fact that the governance is going the way of boxing/weightlifting in terms of transparency and the sport is looking less viable by the day.

 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 5/3/2022 at 3:33 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

 

It's true though, modern pentathlon has an accessibility problem and that will likely cause it to be removed from the Olympics. Sports aren't entitled to be in the Olympics. Throw in the fact that the governance is going the way of boxing/weightlifting in terms of transparency and the sport is looking less viable by the day.

 

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Yet they promote surfing as "accessible" and a new urban craze? Half of the world doesn't even have access to open water and good luck trying to surf in Baltic or Northern Sea which are filthy cold 9 months per year. So where the hell do you you want to learn surfing? Ain't gonna happen in a public swimming pool

[JoshMartini007 2,572]

  On 5/3/2022 at 4:14 PM, Monzanator said:

Yet they promote surfing as "accessible" and a new urban craze? Half of the world doesn't even have access to open water and good luck trying to surf in Baltic or Northern Sea which are filthy cold 9 months per year. So where the hell do you you want to learn surfing? Ain't gonna happen in a public swimming pool

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Surfing kind of lucked out, Japan, France, the United States and Australia are all big surfing nations (heck, even Brazil would have been a great spot in 2016). I agree surfing is a bit lacking in terms of competitive nations, but due to favourable hosts the sport has essentially 10 more years to develop. Accessible also doesn't need to mean all nations can take part or else you can argue that sailing should be removed. If the ISA can push for the development in the Africa, Central America, the Caribbean and the Pacific, it could remain long term.

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 5/3/2022 at 4:47 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

Surfing kind of lucked out, Japan, France, the United States and Australia are all big surfing nations (heck, even Brazil would have been a great spot in 2016). I agree surfing is a bit lacking in terms of competitive nations, but due to favourable hosts the sport has essentially 10 more years to develop. Accessible also doesn't need to mean all nations can take part or else you can argue that sailing should be removed. If the ISA can push for the development in the Africa, Central America, the Caribbean and the Pacific, it could remain long term.

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Not gonna happen. Sailing is a very expensive sport since you have to include the price of the boats. The poor teenager from Tunisia that drowned during training is basically a PR nightmare too. Caribbean is all about baseball & cricket - neither of which is an Olympic sport and baseball's return in Los Angeles will be a one-off IMO - and nobody is getting around that so ISA won't spend any money trying to expand the horizons in a market that has no interest in the expansion (how did Montreal Expos do with the baseball expansion?).

 

The ugly truth is, as long as a niche sport is popular in a few powerhouse nations it can be sold as "accessible" and nobody cares only former colonial powers in the Pacific region have genuine access to a sport like surfing. This whole "accessibility" excuse is what it is - an excuse wrapped around a bunch of nonsense. If you want to cut MP from Olympics just do it straight up - and don't use the "lack of accessibility" BS to justify the move.

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 Ieva Serapinaitė winning gold at World Cup stage 3 

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Death sentence passed on Modern Pentathlon.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/modern-pentathlon/61573121