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  1. No one. @MCMXC was the closest one with +3 for Sweden, as far as our prediction contest is concerned
  2. Another great match from Novak. Nadal played brilliantly when it mattered the most. Beautiful tennis guys And now Halep - Sharapova mmmm
  3. Yesterday Djokovic and Nishikori played sooo good match and I am amazed by the level Djokovic showed. Very encouraging. Let's see how he can play against the ultimate opponent possible on clay. First set looks already gone, but I hope Novak is going to use the second and try to be relaxed and actually play the best he can at the moment. No one sane expects him to win.
  4. Hmm, no there won't be Athletics European Championships. I cannot manage that and it's definitely not at the level like World Championships. As for your predictions... I don't know. Why you had to be late? I guess in sports like Hockey, Handball, Football 4 minutes are not amount of time that can make crucial difference at the beginning and I have made exceptions in the past, so I will count your SWE-USA prediction, which seems not to have bright future though
  5. I am going to open FIFA World Cup prediction contest very soon. Before that, I want to make sure if there are some suggestions for the scoring system. The current scoring system is as follows: - Right predicted outcome (winner or draw) + right score at the end of the regular time (at the end of the overtime/before penalties/ from quarterfinals onward) - 5 points.- Right predicted winner + wrong score but right goal difference - 4 points.- Right predicted draw but wrong score and right predicted winner + wrong score and wrong goal difference but right number of scored goals for Team 1 or Team 2 - 3 points.- Right predicted winner + wrong score + wrong goal difference + wrong number of scored goals for both teams - 2 points.- Wrong predicted outcome (winner of draw) but right number of scored goals for Team 1 or Team 2 - 1 point.- Wrong predicted outcome (winner of draw) and wrong number of scored goals for both teams - 0 points. Only 2-3 comments won't make a difference, so the scoring system will be kept. Also, are we going to make Bet Contest as well?
  6. Prediction Contests Are Just-For-Fun Games You don't need to be an expert to take part in a Prediction Contest. If a mistake penalizes you, always keep in mind that everyone is in good faith. Competition Details City Paris Start Date May 27th, 2018 End Date June 10th, 2018 Participants 25 Gold Wanderer Silver Pablita Bronze dcro Instructions In order to post your predictions, you have to do the following: Select with your mouse specified content of the Post named Prediction Contest Design Copy the selected content Go to Reply Box at the end of the Page, click on "Reply to this topic" Paste the copied content ( When information "You have pasted content with formatting" appears at the end of the Reply Box, ignore it, it will disappear eventually. DO NOT click on "Remove formatting" under any circumstances) Once you have specified content in new Post, start making your predictions according to the Rules To post your predictions, click on "Submit Reply" button Rules This Prediction Contest consists of two parts. In the first part of the Contest, you are predicting only winning players for First, Second, Third and Fourth Rounds, not scores. To do that, you have to Copy/Paste or Type the name of the Athlete from the first Column (named First Round) into appropriateCells in Columns named First Round Winner, Second Round Winner, Third Round Winner and Fourth Round Winner. NOTE: When you Copy/Paste or Type the names, PLEASE, make it sure that the names you are entering in empty cells are THE SAME AS THE NAMES IN PREDICTION DESIGN TABLE. In other words, if you have "Caroline Wozniacki (2)" in first column, you should have "Caroline Wozniacki (2)" through your draw, and not "C. Wozniacki" or only "Caroline Wozniacki". If you see only "Novak Djokovic (18)" PLEASE, don't write "Novak Đoković" or "Novak Djoković" Just copy/paste as you see it. Example Women's Singles First Round First Round Winner Second Round Winner Anna Blinkova (Q) Taylor Townsend (WC) Caroline Wozniacki (2) Taylor Townsend (WC) Yulia Putintseva Caroline Wozniacki (2) Caroline Wozniacki (2) Scoring system for the first part of the Contest: For each correct First Round Winner you will earn - 1 Point For each correct Second Round Winner you will earn - 2 Points For each correct Third Round Winner you will earn - 4 Points For each correct Fourth Round Winner you will earn - 8 Points You don't need to have both players correct for a particular match in order to earn Points. If any match finishes with walkover - it won't be counted. If any match finishes with retirement of one player, it still will be counted. In the second part of the Contest, which starts with Quarterfinals, you are predicting both - a Winner and a Set Score for each match. From Semifinals onward, you will predict Men's Doubles, Women's Doubles and Mixed Doubles matches as well. To do that, you have to write in empty Cells a number of Sets won by each Athlete (or Doubles Team). If your prediction is that Athlete 1 is going to win, you should type appropriate number of Sets won by that player (3 for Men's Singles, 2 for all other categories) in appropriate Cell of A1 Column and do the same for Athlete 2 of that match-up. If your prediction is that Athlete 2 is going to win, then do the same accordingly. Example Women's Singles Semifinals Date & Time (GMT +2) Athlete 1 A1 A2 Athlete 2 June 7th 2018, h. 13:00 Fatma Al Nabhani 2 1 Chanel Simmonds June 7th 2018, h. 15:00 Sada Nahimana 0 2 Abigail Tere-Apisah Scoring system for the second part of the Contest: Quarterfinals 8 Points - Correct Winner+Correct Set Ratio 4 Points - Correct Winner+Wrong Set Ratio 0 Points - Wrong Winner Semifinals 10 Points - Correct Winner+Correct Set Ratio 6 Points - Correct Winner+Wrong Set Ratio 0 Points - Wrong Winner Finals 12 Points - Correct Winner+Correct Set Ratio 8 Points - Correct Winner+Wrong Set Ratio 0 Points - Wrong Winner If any match finishes with walkover - it won't be counted. If any match finishes with retirement of one player - you will earn points only for correct winner. TB Rules If two or more contestants have the same number of points at the end, Tie-Break rule will be applied to break the tie. Number or perfect predictions from Quarterfinals to Finals will be compared for the involved contestants. If involved contestants are still tied, number of correct winners from Quarterfinals to Finals will be compared, then number of correct Fourth Round Winners, and so on. Example Contestant 1: 4, 8, 9, 3 Contestant 2: 4, 8, 8, 4 Contestant 1 will be placed ahead of Contestant 2. Contestant with most points wins the competition. The Ranking is determined by the Sum of Points the Contestant scores in all predicted Matches. You can enter the Contest whenever you want. The moment you post your predictions is the moment when you are entering the Contest and your points will be calculated for all the matches you predicted AND which haven't started. In order to earn points from the start, you should post your predictions before the start of the first match of the Tournament - May 27th, h. 11:00 (GMT +2). You can EDIT your predictions whenever you want until the start of the first match of the Prediction Design Post. Once competition starts, you are not allowed to edit your post and any further changes will be ignored. On contestant's request, edited predictions will be accepted, but contestant will earn 0 points for finished matches and the matches that have started. Moment at the latest editing will be considered as the entry moment, in other words. Qualifiers: If it happens that the main draws are already known, but qualifiers are yet to be determined and their placement in the draw, you can fill in the draw according to the Rules (meaning - you are putting in Qualifier 10 if Qualifier 10 appears in the first Column). Once qualifiers are placed in the draw, I will put the names in Prediction Design post. If there is still time to edit your predictions, you are allowed to do so. In Tennis there is always possibility of Draw Changes because of late Withdrawals. If there will be such late changes, all "new"1st Round Matches involving all moved Athletes will not be counted. It means you can receive Points for right predicted 1st Round winning Athlete only if the Match started with both Athletes from the Prediction Design Table. You will be allowed to edit your Predictions (if you want) for the 2nd to 4th Round Matches involving moved Athletes, but only before the start of the first Match of the 2nd Round. All other editing will be ignored. But please - before you edit, send a PM to the manager, otherwise editing will be ignored completely. You can fill in Men's and Women's Singles Draws in separate posts if you want to. If you want to comment on this Prediction Contest, please use Prediction Contests - Discussion Thread only. If you have problem with the format, you can post your predictions in simplified format. Also, if the forum is down, or you cannot access the forum for any reason, you can send you predictions on e-mail: totallympics.predictions@gmail.com. Make sure your predictions are understandable. For instance, S. Williams 2-1 means Serena Williams wins 2-1. Williams 2 means nothing. And please, write your Totallympics username so the contest manager can know who actually sent predictions. Every contestant MUST HIDE own predictions. To do that, you have only to delete the space between the bracket "[" and the text "hide" in "[ hide]" at the beginning of prediction post. Do the same with "[ /hide]" at the end of prediction post too. The hidden content will appear to other users as follows: [hide]You cannot see this[/hide] If you have any other questions concerning this prediction contest, problems with format, editing etc... please, contact the contest manager via Personal Message.
  7. Provisional Standing after Day 13 available here What a flop for powerhouse Finland! But @titicow didn't think so! The only one predict the win for Switzerland, and the only one to have all four semifinalists correct! Four matches left, still some changes possible. Italian clean sweep still possible, but Canadian and Algerian will have their final words! PS Please remember to post your Semifinals predictions.
  8. Provisional Standing after Day 13 Rank User Nat. Total 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 TB 1 Pablita 541 23 62 48 42 39 38 34 38 44 40 44 35 54 2 bestmen 536,5 36 66 54 39 32 32 26 39 31 31 43 52 55,5 3 Topicmaster1010 535 28 55 56 42 43 34 36 29 33 34 41 65 39 4 Henry_Leon 530,5 35 55 53 41 41 34 34 39 35 32 42 37 52,5 5 Dunadan 527,5 23 63 50 39 41 32 34 38 33 30 42 62 40,5 6 ady48 524 33 51 41 40 39 32 34 39 36 32 40 56 51 6 titicow 524 23 42 48 40 40 29 35 30 56 39 40 36 66 8 intoronto 519,5 30 51 42 37 41 30 31 41 46 30 39 46 55,5 9 NikolaB 519,5 23 55 48 31 37 27 35 39 53 32 42 57 40,5 10 dcro 513 21 44 40 40 43 31 35 30 52 33 45 45 54 11 phelps 512,5 43 55 47 42 42 36 36 40 30 29 38 37 37,5 12 africaboy 510,5 33 55 44 40 40 33 35 39 35 30 41 45 40,5 13 juliosilva 509 27 45 53 44 39 34 36 40 33 22 39 46 51 14 Finnator123 506 32 53 33 44 41 32 34 42 39 29 33 55 39 15 mihamiha 499,5 24 54 43 39 38 30 36 39 34 29 41 64 28,5 16 Agger 497,5 31 42 49 39 39 30 35 39 35 28 42 36 52,5 17 chrischi08 496 22 45 49 41 31 30 34 38 35 29 43 45 54 17 vlad 496 19 46 43 43 39 34 35 32 34 32 41 47 51 19 hckosice 490 25 52 48 40 39 31 35 39 34 30 43 44 30 20 Gianlu33 479 24 50 37 45 39 31 38 30 33 33 41 39 39 20 Ufilov 479 31 44 47 42 30 30 34 39 34 30 43 36 39 22 Herberth Nelson Balbi Silveira 474,5 22 61 38 38 40 31 33 39 35 20 43 34 40,5 23 lapaj 474 23 52 39 40 38 29 35 39 36 30 40 46 27 24 MCMXC 470 23 54 35 34 29 30 33 31 31 40 39 55 36 25 Wanderer 462 24 46 40 38 37 28 34 18 46 32 44 36 39 26 heywoodu 459 23 37 43 44 41 29 32 30 33 30 42 45 30 27 rybak 452,5 25 46 49 42 30 28 28 29 30 29 41 41 34,5 28 FC Mezhgorye 452 23 45 49 41 40 30 35 29 43 29 42 46 0 29 Dolby 404 40 37 28 31 29 37 32 41 32 30 43 24 0 30 SteveParker 400,5 21 38 47 41 11 39 21 30 25 12 43 47 25,5 31 hoversaBR 382 23 48 41 42 21 27 31 29 26 20 29 45 0 01: May 4th - Preliminary Round 02: May 5th - Preliminary Round 03: May 6th - Preliminary Round 04: May 7th - Preliminary Round 05: May 8th - Preliminary Round 06: May 9th - Preliminary Round 07: May 10th - Preliminary Round 08: May 11th - Preliminary Round 09: May 12th - Preliminary Round 10: May 13th - Preliminary Round 11: May 14th - Preliminary Round 12: May 15th - Preliminary Round 13: May 17th - Quarterfinals 14: May 19th - Semifinals 15: May 20th - Bronze Medal Match, Gold Medal Match Mistakes are always possible. PM me if you notice any.
  9. [hide] Knockout Round May 17th - May 20th, 2018 Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match Semifinals Date & Time (GMT +9) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 May 19th 2018, h. 15:15 Sweden 1 United States May 19th 2018, h. 19:15 Switzerland 2 Canada [/hide]
  10. You MUST hide your post. To do that, you have only to delete the space between the bracket "[" and the text "hide" in "[ hide]" at the beginning of prediction post. Do the same at the end of prediction post with "[ /hide]" too. PREDICTION DESIGN - START COPYING HERE ---> [ hide] Knockout Round May 17th - May 20th, 2018 Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match Semifinals Date & Time (GMT +9) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 May 19th 2018, h. 15:15 Sweden United States May 19th 2018, h. 19:15 Switzerland Canada [ /hide] ---> PREDICTION DESIGN - STOP COPYING HERE
  11. [hide] Knockout Round May 17th - May 20th, 2018 Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match Quarterfinals Date & Time (GMT +9) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 May 17th 2018, h. 16:15 United States 2 Czech Republic May 17th 2018, h. 16:15 Russia 1 Canada May 17th 2018, h. 20:15 Sweden 3 Latvia May 17th 2018, h. 20:15 Finland 2 Switzerland [/hide]
  12. Provisional Standing after Day 12 available here Interesting turnaround after group stage of the championship! @Topicmaster1010 suddenly puts extra pressure to the Italians where @Dunadan is suddenly tied with @Pablita and @bestmen is still there, lurking to snatch the title at the very end, with @NikolaB steadily rising to the top. How the things will turn out remains to be seen. PS Please remember to post your Quarterfinals predictions.
  13. Provisional Standing after Day 12 Rank User Nat. Total 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 TB 1 Topicmaster1010 496 28 55 56 42 43 34 36 29 33 34 41 65 2 Dunadan 487 23 63 50 39 41 32 34 38 33 30 42 62 2 Pablita 487 23 62 48 42 39 38 34 38 44 40 44 35 4 bestmen 481 36 66 54 39 32 32 26 39 31 31 43 52 5 NikolaB 479 23 55 48 31 37 27 35 39 53 32 42 57 6 Henry_Leon 478 35 55 53 41 41 34 34 39 35 32 42 37 7 phelps 475 43 55 47 42 42 36 36 40 30 29 38 37 8 ady48 473 33 51 41 40 39 32 34 39 36 32 40 56 9 mihamiha 471 24 54 43 39 38 30 36 39 34 29 41 64 10 africaboy 470 33 55 44 40 40 33 35 39 35 30 41 45 11 Finnator123 467 32 53 33 44 41 32 34 42 39 29 33 55 12 intoronto 464 30 51 42 37 41 30 31 41 46 30 39 46 13 hckosice 460 25 52 48 40 39 31 35 39 34 30 43 44 14 dcro 459 21 44 40 40 43 31 35 30 52 33 45 45 15 juliosilva 458 27 45 53 44 39 34 36 40 33 22 39 46 15 titicow 458 23 42 48 40 40 29 35 30 56 39 40 36 17 FC Mezhgorye 452 23 45 49 41 40 30 35 29 43 29 42 46 18 lapaj 447 23 52 39 40 38 29 35 39 36 30 40 46 19 Agger 445 31 42 49 39 39 30 35 39 35 28 42 36 19 vlad 445 19 46 43 43 39 34 35 32 34 32 41 47 21 chrischi08 442 22 45 49 41 31 30 34 38 35 29 43 45 22 Gianlu33 440 24 50 37 45 39 31 38 30 33 33 41 39 22 Ufilov 440 31 44 47 42 30 30 34 39 34 30 43 36 24 Herberth Nelson Balbi Silveira 434 22 61 38 38 40 31 33 39 35 20 43 34 24 MCMXC 434 23 54 35 34 29 30 33 31 31 40 39 55 26 heywoodu 429 23 37 43 44 41 29 32 30 33 30 42 45 27 Wanderer 423 24 46 40 38 37 28 34 18 46 32 44 36 28 rybak 418 25 46 49 42 30 28 28 29 30 29 41 41 29 Dolby 404 40 37 28 31 29 37 32 41 32 30 43 24 30 hoversaBR 382 23 48 41 42 21 27 31 29 26 20 29 45 31 SteveParker 375 21 38 47 41 11 39 21 30 25 12 43 47 01: May 4th - Preliminary Round 02: May 5th - Preliminary Round 03: May 6th - Preliminary Round 04: May 7th - Preliminary Round 05: May 8th - Preliminary Round 06: May 9th - Preliminary Round 07: May 10th - Preliminary Round 08: May 11th - Preliminary Round 09: May 12th - Preliminary Round 10: May 13th - Preliminary Round 11: May 14th - Preliminary Round 12: May 15th - Preliminary Round 13: May 17th - Quarterfinals 14: May 19th - Semifinals 15: May 20th - Bronze Medal Match, Gold Medal Match Mistakes are always possible. PM me if you notice any.
  14. You MUST hide your post. To do that, you have only to delete the space between the bracket "[" and the text "hide" in "[ hide]" at the beginning of prediction post. Do the same at the end of prediction post with "[ /hide]" too. PREDICTION DESIGN - START COPYING HERE ---> [ hide] Knockout Round May 17th - May 20th, 2018 Quarterfinals, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match Quarterfinals Date & Time (GMT +9) Nation 1 T1 T2 Nation 2 May 17th 2018, h. 16:15 United States Czech Republic May 17th 2018, h. 16:15 Russia Canada May 17th 2018, h. 20:15 Sweden Latvia May 17th 2018, h. 20:15 Finland Switzerland [ /hide] ---> PREDICTION DESIGN - STOP COPYING HERE
  15. Provisional Standing after Day 11 Rank User Nat. Total 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 TB 1 Pablita 452 23 62 48 42 39 38 34 38 44 40 44 2 Henry_Leon 441 35 55 53 41 41 34 34 39 35 32 42 3 phelps 438 43 55 47 42 42 36 36 40 30 29 38 4 Topicmaster1010 431 28 55 56 42 43 34 36 29 33 34 41 5 bestmen 429 36 66 54 39 32 32 26 39 31 31 43 6 africaboy 425 33 55 44 40 40 33 35 39 35 30 41 6 Dunadan 425 23 63 50 39 41 32 34 38 33 30 42 8 NikolaB 422 23 55 48 31 37 27 35 39 53 32 42 8 titicow 422 23 42 48 40 40 29 35 30 56 39 40 10 intoronto 418 30 51 42 37 41 30 31 41 46 30 39 11 ady48 417 33 51 41 40 39 32 34 39 36 32 40 12 hckosice 416 25 52 48 40 39 31 35 39 34 30 43 13 dcro 414 21 44 40 40 43 31 35 30 52 33 45 14 Finnator123 412 32 53 33 44 41 32 34 42 39 29 33 14 juliosilva 412 27 45 53 44 39 34 36 40 33 22 39 16 Agger 409 31 42 49 39 39 30 35 39 35 28 42 17 mihamiha 407 24 54 43 39 38 30 36 39 34 29 41 18 FC Mezhgorye 406 23 45 49 41 40 30 35 29 43 29 42 19 Ufilov 404 31 44 47 42 30 30 34 39 34 30 43 20 Gianlu33 401 24 50 37 45 39 31 38 30 33 33 41 20 lapaj 401 23 52 39 40 38 29 35 39 36 30 40 22 Herberth Nelson Balbi Silveira 400 22 61 38 38 40 31 33 39 35 20 43 23 vlad 398 19 46 43 43 39 34 35 32 34 32 41 24 chrischi08 397 22 45 49 41 31 30 34 38 35 29 43 25 Wanderer 387 24 46 40 38 37 28 34 18 46 32 44 26 heywoodu 384 23 37 43 44 41 29 32 30 33 30 42 27 Dolby 380 40 37 28 31 29 37 32 41 32 30 43 28 MCMXC 379 23 54 35 34 29 30 33 31 31 40 39 29 rybak 377 25 46 49 42 30 28 28 29 30 29 41 30 hoversaBR 337 23 48 41 42 21 27 31 29 26 20 29 31 SteveParker 328 21 38 47 41 11 39 21 30 25 12 43 01: May 4th - Preliminary Round 02: May 5th - Preliminary Round 03: May 6th - Preliminary Round 04: May 7th - Preliminary Round 05: May 8th - Preliminary Round 06: May 9th - Preliminary Round 07: May 10th - Preliminary Round 08: May 11th - Preliminary Round 09: May 12th - Preliminary Round 10: May 13th - Preliminary Round 11: May 14th - Preliminary Round 12: May 15th - Preliminary Round 13: May 17th - Quarterfinals 14: May 19th - Semifinals 15: May 20th - Bronze Medal Match, Gold Medal Match Mistakes are always possible. PM me if you notice any.
  16. Krunic sending into retirement both Kimiko Date and Roberta Vinci.
  17. Provisional Standing after Day 10 Rank User Nat. Total 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 TB 1 Pablita 408 23 62 48 42 39 38 34 38 44 40 2 phelps 400 43 55 47 42 42 36 36 40 30 29 3 Henry_Leon 399 35 55 53 41 41 34 34 39 35 32 4 Topicmaster1010 390 28 55 56 42 43 34 36 29 33 34 5 bestmen 386 36 66 54 39 32 32 26 39 31 31 6 africaboy 384 33 55 44 40 40 33 35 39 35 30 7 Dunadan 383 23 63 50 39 41 32 34 38 33 30 8 titicow 382 23 42 48 40 40 29 35 30 56 39 9 NikolaB 380 23 55 48 31 37 27 35 39 53 32 10 Finnator123 379 32 53 33 44 41 32 34 42 39 29 10 intoronto 379 30 51 42 37 41 30 31 41 46 30 12 ady48 377 33 51 41 40 39 32 34 39 36 32 13 hckosice 373 25 52 48 40 39 31 35 39 34 30 13 juliosilva 373 27 45 53 44 39 34 36 40 33 22 15 dcro 369 21 44 40 40 43 31 35 30 52 33 16 Agger 367 31 42 49 39 39 30 35 39 35 28 17 mihamiha 366 24 54 43 39 38 30 36 39 34 29 18 FC Mezhgorye 364 23 45 49 41 40 30 35 29 43 29 19 lapaj 361 23 52 39 40 38 29 35 39 36 30 19 Ufilov 361 31 44 47 42 30 30 34 39 34 30 21 Gianlu33 360 24 50 37 45 39 31 38 30 33 33 22 Herberth Nelson Balbi Silveira 357 22 61 38 38 40 31 33 39 35 20 22 vlad 357 19 46 43 43 39 34 35 32 34 32 24 chrischi08 354 22 45 49 41 31 30 34 38 35 29 25 Wanderer 343 24 46 40 38 37 28 34 18 46 32 26 heywoodu 342 23 37 43 44 41 29 32 30 33 30 27 MCMXC 340 23 54 35 34 29 30 33 31 31 40 28 Dolby 337 40 37 28 31 29 37 32 41 32 30 29 rybak 336 25 46 49 42 30 28 28 29 30 29 30 hoversaBR 308 23 48 41 42 21 27 31 29 26 20 31 SteveParker 285 21 38 47 41 11 39 21 30 25 12 01: May 4th - Preliminary Round 02: May 5th - Preliminary Round 03: May 6th - Preliminary Round 04: May 7th - Preliminary Round 05: May 8th - Preliminary Round 06: May 9th - Preliminary Round 07: May 10th - Preliminary Round 08: May 11th - Preliminary Round 09: May 12th - Preliminary Round 10: May 13th - Preliminary Round 11: May 14th - Preliminary Round 12: May 15th - Preliminary Round 13: May 17th - Quarterfinals 14: May 19th - Semifinals 15: May 20th - Bronze Medal Match, Gold Medal Match Mistakes are always possible. PM me if you notice any.
  18. @OlympicIRL Roosevelt My kind of noise songs :inlove:
  19. Portugal last? It is okay to be different, and "not normal" but when it is with taste, quirkiness.
  20. They have 12 from me. A kiss of death
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