Karate Qualification to Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympic Games

[phelps 7,706]

1 minute ago, Dunadan said:

 

Should have waited one day...WKF updated the rankings with the points from June and the best non qualified gold medallists as of now are Horuna and Semeraro.

 

it's plot! the entire world is against me!

 

by the way, this is the updated provisional situation...

 

 

women's EG champions

Kata: Sandra Sanchez Jaime*  (WKF Rank in "Olympic" Kata: 1st, 7282.5 Pts)
Kumite, -50kg: Bettina Plank* (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -55kg: 5th, 3727.5 Pts)
Kumite, -55kg: Ivet Goranova (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -55kg: 11th, 2580 Pts)
Kumite, -61kg: Anita Serogina (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -61kg: 15th, 1432.5 Pts)
Kumite, -68kg: Silvia Semeraro (WKF Rank in "Olympic" +61kg: 8th, 2940 Pts)
Kumite, +68kg: Laura Palacio Gonzalez (WKF Rank in "Olympic" +61kg: 19th, 2017.5 Pts)

 

* Currently already qualified through OQR

 

men's EG champions

Kata: Damian Hugo Quintero Capdevila*  (WKF Rank in "Olympic" Kata: 2nd, 5977.5 Pts)
Kumite, -60kg: Kalvis Kalnins (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -67kg: 36th, 1395 Pts)
Kumite, -67kg: Luca Maresca** (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -67kg: 17th, 2145 Pts)
Kumite, -75kg: Stanislav Horuna (WKF Rank in "Olympic" -75kg: 6th, 3187.5 Pts)
Kumite, -84kg: Ivan Kvesic* (WKF Rank in "Olympic" +75kg: 4th, 4507.5 Pts)
Kumite, +84kg: Asiman Gurbanli (WKF Rank in "Olympic" +75kg: 29th, 1387.5 Pts)

 

* Currently already qualified through OQR
** Basically NOT Eligible to qualify, as another Italian Athlete is currently already qualified through OQR in his class

 

based on these results and rankings (still very provisional, as people might imagine), Silvia Semeraro (women) and Stanislav Horuna (men) would be the 2 lucky Europeans getting a Continental spot for the Olympic Games in Tokyo...

 

[phelps 7,706]

Semeraro and Horuna (especially the Ukranin guy), however, now are still very close to qualify through the OQR...so, the fight is still well underway and anything can still happen...

[phelps 7,706]

and since I haven't anything more exciting to do this afternoon  here's a quick recap of the newest WKF Olympic Qualification Ranking (updated at June 1st, 2019)...

 

Important Notes:

1. Japan have 1 spot already sure in each class as the Host Nation of the Olympic Games
2. In the Olympic Categories where 2 of the "WKF Kumite regular weight classes" are combined together, only the top 2 athletes in each of said WKF Kumite regular weights can qualify
3. Only 1 spot per NOC is available in each (weight) class

men's Kata

(1. Ryo Kiyuna,  6630 Pts)*
2. Damian Hugo Quintero Capdevila,  5977.5 Pts
3. Alì Sofuoglu,  3742.5 Pts
4. Antonio Diaz,  3015 Pts
5. Mattia Busato,  3000 Pts
---First OUT---
(6. & 7. Kazumasa Moto & Issei Shimbaba)*
8. Ilja Smorguner,  1980 Pts

 

men's Kumite, -67kg (-67kg when not indicated)

1. Darkhan Assadilov (-60kg),  5287.5 Pts
2. Steven Dacosta,  5250 Pts
3. Angelo Crescenzo (-60kg),  5160 Pts
4. Alì Elsawy,  4072.5 Pts
---First OUT---
5. Eray Samdan (-60kg),  3922.5 Pts
6. Vinicius Figueira,  3652.5 Pts

 

men's Kumite, -75kg

1. Bahman Askari,  4537.5 Pts
2. Luigi Busà,  4350 Pts
(3. Ken Nishimura,  3922.5 Pts)*
4. Rafael Aghayev,  3825 Pts
5. Thomas Scott,  3547.5 Pts
---First OUT---
6. Stanislav Horuna,  3187.5 Pts (currently 1st in line to get a Continental spot after the European Games in Minsk)
7. Dastonbek Otabolaev,  2310 Pts

 

men's Kumite, +75kg (+84kg when not indicated)

1. Ugur Aktas (-84kg),  6712.5 Pts
2. Jonathan Horne,  5137.5 Pts
3. Sajad Ganjzadeh,  4942.5 Pts
4. Ivan Kvesic (-84kg),  4507.5 Pts
---First OUT---
(5. Alparslan Yamanoglu,  3682.5 Pts)**
(6. Zabiollah Poorshab, -84kg,  3495 Pts)**
(7. Saleh Abazari,  3427.5 Pts)**
8. Valerii Chobotar (-84kg),  3225 Pts
(9. Anton Isakau, -84kg,  2955 Pts)
(10. Ryutaro Araga, -84kg, 2850 Pts)*
11. Gogita Arkania,  2745 Pts

 

 

women's Kata

1. Sandra Sanchez Jaime,  7282.5 Pts
(2. Kiyou Shimizu,  6382.5 Pts)*
3. Viviana Bottaro,  4395 Pts
4. Grace Lau Mo Sheung,  3825 Pts
5. Sakura Kokumai,  2797.5 Pts
---First OUT---
(6. Hikaru Ono,  2752.5 Pts)*
7. Maria Dimitrova,  2175 Pts

 

women's Kumite, -55kg (-55kg when not indicated)
1. Serap Ozcelik Arapoglu (-50kg),  6802.5 Pts
2. Anzhelika Terliuga,  4732.5 Pts
3. Wen Tzu-Yun,  4425 Pts
(4. Miho Miyahara, -50kg,  3945 Pts)*
5. Bettina Plank (-50kg),  3727.5 Pts
---First OUT---
6. Dorota Banaszczyk,  3292.5 Pts
(7. Tuba Yakan,  3187.5 Pts)**
(8. Jana Bitsch,  3067.5 Pts)
9. Shara Hubrich (-50kg),  2767.5 Pts

 

women's Kumite, -61kg
1. Yin Xiaoyan,  5655 Pts
2. Giana Lofty,  4380 Pts
3. Jovana Prekovic,  3832.5 Pts
4. Merve Coban,  3817.5 Pts
---First OUT---
5. Gwendoline Philippe,  3000 Pts

 

women's Kumite, +61kg (+68kg when not indicated)

1. Elena Quirici (-68kg),  4470 Pts
(2. Ayumi Uekusa,  3900 Pts)*
3. Irina Zaretska (-68kg),  3727.5 Pts
(4. Kayo Someya, -68kg,  3697.5 Pts)*
5. Eleni Chatziliadou,  3450 Pts
6. Alizèe Agier, -68kg,  3330 Pts
7. Hamideh Abbasali,  3172.5 Pts
(8. Silvia Semeraro, -68kg,  2940 Pts  - currently 1st in line to get a Continental spot after the European Games in Minsk)
(9. Halyna Melnyk, -68kg,  2917.5 Pts)
10. Meltem Hocaoglu,  2797.5 Pts

 

 

in BOLD the athletes currently qualified to the Olympic Games through the Olympic Qualification Ranking (OQR)

 

* NOT to be considered because of the "Japan rule" (note #1)

 

** NOT to be considered because there's at least 1 teammate in the same Olympic Class ahead of him in the OQR (note #2 and/or #3)

 

[MHSN 3,632]

Qualified countries per new WKF Olympic ranking on 1st August

 

Men

Kata:   

67kg:  

75kg:  

+75kg:

 

Women

Kata:   

55kg:  

61kg:  

+61kg:

 

checking the ranking, Turkey has realistic chance to qualify in all 8 events through the ranking, at least 6 or 7 is quite possible for them.

 

Qualified athletes in Europe through the ranking and European Games

Men's 75kg:

Women's +61kg:

 

@phelps I need a little help here. if they want to pick the best Asians through the ranking (since Asian Games is no qualifier unlike Euro Games) what's the tie breaking criteria ? from what I see the best non-qualified Asian athletes are both from Iran, both of them 7th place (55 and 61) so if the qualification period ends today what's the tiebreaking criteria ? the girl with more ranking points ?! in this case it will be Khaksar.

Men's 75kg:

Women's 55kg:

 

[phelps 7,706]

1 hour ago, MHSN said:

Qualified countries per new WKF Olympic ranking on 1st August

 

Men

Kata:   

67kg:  

75kg:  

+75kg:

 

Women

Kata:   

55kg:  

61kg:  

+61kg:

 

checking the ranking, Turkey has realistic chance to qualify in all 8 events through the ranking, at least 6 or 7 is quite possible for them.

 

Qualified athletes in Europe through the ranking and European Games

Men's 75kg:

Women's +61kg:

 

@phelps I need a little help here. if they want to pick the best Asians through the ranking (since Asian Games is no qualifier unlike Euro Games) what's the tie breaking criteria ? from what I see the best non-qualified Asian athletes are both from Iran, both of them 7th place (55 and 61) so if the qualification period ends today what's the tiebreaking criteria ? the girl with more ranking points ?! in this case it will be Khaksar.

Men's 75kg:

Women's 55kg:

 

 

I'm not sure at 100%...

 

but this what they say in the official document for the OQ...

 

"Should above not determine the priority of the ties, the resolution defined for Olympic Standings in the WKF World Ranking Regulations will apply"

 

and this is what they say in tha said document...

 

"In order to define positions 1 to 4 on the Olympic Standing, should two athletes have the same number of points and therefore, the same Olympic Standing position, then the position will be determined according to following criteria:

➢ Best position at the last World Senior Championships;
➢ Best position at the last Continental Championships they have participated in, within the qualification period;
➢ Total point difference between points scored in favor and points scored against the athlete by opponents (regardless of category) in the last Continental Championships.

In order to define position 5 onwards in the Olympic Standing, should two or more athletes have the same number of points in an Olympic Standing position, then the position will be determined according to following criteria:

➢ Best position in the Olympic Standing by WKF weight category (only applicable to WKF weight categories merged for Olympic purposes).
➢ Best position at the last World Senior Championships.
➢ Best position at the last Continental Championships they have participated in within the qualification period.
➢ Best position in the 2019 Premier League"

 

as far as I can understand, yes, if they are tied at the same position, they should look first at their total number of points, then go to the following set of tie-breaking criteria...

 

but they should have been a lot more precise and set a detailed example for each of the possible situation to help people to understand what's going on...

[phelps 7,706]

to me, Turkey will "only" get the 4 spots they're currently already virtually in through the ranking...

women's Kata and men's -75kg are unlikely to comeback from where they are now...

Hocaoglu (women's +61) and Samdan (men's -67) are closer to the line, but I'm not sure they will be able to do it in any case (and tbh, I hope Samdan won't do it for any reason, as it would mean he's going to threaten Crescenzo's spot if he does improve his ranking )...

[MHSN 3,632]

16 minutes ago, phelps said:

as far as I can understand, yes, if they are tied at the same position, they should look first at their total number of points, then go to the following set of tie-breaking criteria...

 

but they should have been a lot more precise and set a detailed example for each of the possible situation to help people to understand what's going on...

 

yeah there are some other questions.

 

we assume they will consider the ranking for Asia (even that is not a sure thing) I assume this is the same for Oceania but what about Africa ? Karate is a part of African Games but that PDF document only mentions European Games and Pan-Am Games for that purpose.

 

another thing we should consider is that the PDF says the max number is 10 for each weight, we know there will be 4 from the WR and 3 from the OQT + 1 for the host nation. that leaves only 2 quota available for each weight for the continents. the PDF says Oceania is first, then Africa, then Pan-America, then Asian finally Europe.

 

so specially for Asian and European athletes, being the best ranked in their continent is not necessarily enough, if two other athletes from other continents qualify in the same weight. for example the best male athlete from Oceania is Australia in men's 75kg. if this stays this way and also the same for Asia (the best ranked athlete in Asia is Uzbekistan the same weight) there is no chance for Horuna to qualify this way !

the best female athlete from Oceania by quite a margin is New Zealand in women's Kata.

[Dunadan 1,103]

It's also not clear to me why the document says "maximum 3 per category" through continental representation while as MHSN said it should be maximum 2 per category. I can't think of a scenario in which there would be 3 places available in a category, even if Japan refused their host quota (which will never happen) the reallocation would be through Olympic Ranking.

[phelps 7,706]

following the conclusion of the Pan-American Games in Lima, the 3 provisional PKF Continental quota among the Lima 2019 champions would go to:

Alexandra Grande, currently 6th in the women's -61kg

Brian Irr, currently 18th in the men's +75kg

Valeria Kumizaki, currently 21st in the women's -55kg

 

meanwhile Antonio Diaz (men's kata), Sakura Kokumai (women's kata) and Thomas Scott (men's kumite -75kg) are not to be considered at the moment, as they are still in qualifying position through the OQR...

 

p.s. luckily for Italy, the women's +61kg class is not involved...

Edited August 14, 2019 by phelps

[phelps 7,706]

so, here we have a quick recap of the current distribution of Continental quota:

 

Europe (European Games Minsk 2019)

Stanislav Horuna, men's kumite -75kg (but, according to the 10 athletes per weight limit and to the order of choice of those who're going to fill the list of qualified athletes, he should be replaced by Asiman Gurbanli, men's kumite +75kg, as there are already more than 2 fighters from other Continents in qualifying position in the same class, who come before Europe in the order of choice)...

Silvia Semeraro, women's kumite +61kg

 

Americas (Panamerican Games Lima 2019)

Alexandra Grande, women's kumite -61kg

Brian Irr, men's kumite +75kg

Valeria Kumizaki, women's kumite -55kg

 

Oceania (OQR)

Tsuneari Yahiro, men's kumite -75kg

Alexandrea Anacan, women's kata

 

Asia (OQR)

Dastonbek Otabolaev, men's kumite -75kg

Travat Khaksar, women's kumite -55kg (same situation as Horuna in Europe...so, she should be replaced by Rozita Alipour, women's kumite -61kg)...

 

Africa (OQR)

Radwa Sayed, women's kumite -55kg

Feryal Abdelaziz, women's kumite +61kg

Adnane Elhakimi, men's kata (because of the rules of "at least 2 different NOCs" and "at least 1 athlete per gender"...otherwise he has 2 more Egyptians better placed than him -but below both Sayed and Abdelaziz in the women's divisions- and also his compatriot Btissam Sadini in the women's kumite -61kg has the same placing and more points than him in the OQR)...