[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[heywoodu 13,813]

1 hour ago, Monzanator said:

 

Polish Catholicism has lapsed a lot but it doesn't mean these lapsed Catholics support same-sex marriage and other liberal agendas. That's the big difference between some of the Western countries and Olympian's theory. Just because someone doesn't attend the mass it doesn't mean he/she supports LGBT rights! Polish people quite frankly do  not care about this. We as a nation aren't as ideallistic as those liberals wants us to be.

 

Far-right is a huge minority in Poland, Korwin-Mikke is a joke and everyone knows that. However Law & Justice appears to be strictly far-right by Western standards, in fact it's the post-1989 right-wingers who are trapped in the never-ending conflict first started by Lech Walesa (against then PM Mazowiecki). And guess what, most of the Polish society doesn't give a damn about constitution, the courts, the priests and all that jazz. That's the biggest trick, we simply do not care and that's why the liberal minds don't understand how to wrestle back the power from Law & Justice I don't attend church for several years now but I'll never support the left-wing sociallist parties. Try to figure that out!

 

One doesn't need to care about it to not specifically oppose something normal.

[Monzanator 3,828]

13 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

One doesn't need to care about it to not specifically oppose something normal.

 

Polish people mostly care about the size of their wallets. Law & Justice has finally realized it hence even the opposition has said they won't take away the social transfers even though they said "the country can't afford it" when they were in power. Funny how money makes the world go round?

[heywoodu 13,813]

9 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Polish people mostly care about the size of their wallets.

 

Ah, a unique trait specific to....no country at all  

[Olympian1010 7,657]

3 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Ah, a unique trait specific to....no country at all  

Very unique. We’re just giving away money in the US (at least according to conservatives who generally make more than 100,000 a year)

[Monzanator 3,828]

9 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Ah, a unique trait specific to....no country at all  

 

5 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Very unique. We’re just giving away money in the US (at least according to conservatives who generally make more than 100,000 a year)

 

You have to remember every company was state-owned until 1989 in Poland. Then privatisation came flying in and majority of these companies were sold for pennies and quickly folded on the open market which left hundreds of thousands people unemployed. Law & Justice speaks to those people who simply didn't get rich in the 90s and feel like only a small ammount of "elitists" made money on the privatisation in the 90s. They're not far off in their assumption, the rich always only get richer after all. Civic Platform is the party of businessmen, lawyers and doctors etc. The current head of opposition's biggest party Civic Platform was a radio station owner & a manager of a basketball club in the 90s (the club was sponsored by the radio he owned). That's a loooong way removed from being a next-door-guy which majority of the Polish society is. You ain't gonna win a single election in Poland being anti-Church and radically liberal. The most popular left-wing post-1989 politician in Poland, the former President Kwasniewski never actually dwelled on the Church matters whatsoever, he always ignored it and scored easy bonus points from the society to the point he won the 2000 re-election in a 50%+ landslide. 

[OlympicIRL 5,031]

 

12 hours ago, heywoodu said:

 

So Trump is actually the Messiah?

 

 

[Olympian1010 7,657]

4 hours ago, OlympicIRL said:

 

 

 

If there’s anything I’ve learned in life, it’s not to upset the Irish Catholics ?

[Vojthas 947]

6 hours ago, Monzanator said:

Law & Justice appears to be strictly far-right

Yes, far-right socialists...

Welcome to Polish politics.

[Monzanator 3,828]

9 minutes ago, Vojthas said:

Yes, far-right socialists...

Welcome to Polish politics.

 

You know best the two biggest political enemies in Poland were on the same side of the fence pre-1989. What do you expect? Outright left-wing sociallism isn't winning anything here anymore. We've had that for 40+ years and it's over. They've got 10-15% of the market and that is it. They try to play the progressive game but it doesn't move the needle in Poland whatsoever.

 

When two centre-right-wing parties have to draw a line, Law & Justice goes into the central-controlled sociallist ideas and Civic Platform tries to appease the riches & plays the ideallistic game (which they don't believe in anyway).

[Vojthas 947]

3 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

You know best the two biggest political enemies in Poland were on the same side of the fence pre-1989. What do you expect? Outright left-wing sociallism isn't winning anything here anymore. We've had that for 40+ years and it's over. They've got 10-15% of the market and that is it. They try to play the progressive game but it doesn't move the needle in Poland whatsoever.

 

When two centre-right-wing parties have to draw a line, Law & Justice goes into the central-controlled sociallist ideas and Civic Platform tries to appease the riches & plays the ideallistic game (which they don't believe in anyway).

You know best the believes of any party doesn't mean a lot in the result of elections. This is mostly just the voting for the party, whose PR works better on me, you, him/her etc.