[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Griff88 2,020]

2 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

No, we shouldn’t try Capitalism or Communism. We should try the middle ground (I.e Democratic Socialism).

 

It's all the same, no matter what you choose if you got corruption.... you know the answer

[Monzanator 5,075]

2 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

No, we shouldn’t try Capitalism or Communism. We should try the middle ground (I.e Democratic Socialism). Those in power in South American have socialism to satisfy their own greed. They do not deserve to be called socialists, they are autocrats. 
 

I totally get your point about politics and corruption. I’m glad to have someone like you around. Most of the time we don’t see eye to eye on policies, but it’s clear that we both care. If more people cared the world would be better. I blame a lack of education, General laziness, and a submissive will for the reason the world hasn’t changed for the better despite al the progress humans have made. I am asking the impossible, but really every person should strive for the impossible. Those that do are generally the best, most wise people.

 

I told you before Democratic Sociallism only works in countries with huge natural resources and small population. That's why it works so well in Scandinavia where Norway is the wealthiest country in Europe by GDP. Norway, Switzerland and Luxembourg are the three wealthies countries in the world that are not islands or microstates (like Monaco). For comparison the population of these countries combined is 40% of Poland's population.

 

Evo Morales who was elected for another term in Bolivia comes from a party called Movement for Sociallism. Yeah, I think I'm gonna call him a 100% sociallist here Sociallism is so widespread in South America because it was a natural opposition to the previously widespread military juntas that ruled the continent until the 80s or early 90s. The entire South America is ruled by left-wing which should make you very happy indeed. Of course Bolsonaro in Brazil is right-wing but that's because the previously widely popular left-wing President was busted for - what else - corruption   so we had a shift in poitical landscape. Corruption in politics happens across all options, right-wing, left-wing, communism, capitalism or sociallism. It's a core disease and there is no cure IMO.

 

Poland has achieved the impossible already, we overthrew communism (labelled sociallism from the 70s) which seemed impossible like 20 years prior to 1989. We can't do any better than that IMO. Thirty years on and our political landscape is divided between conservative-rights who remain conservative and former conservative-rights who pretend to be liberal (especially in business). The new left-wing still has members of former Communist Party calling the shots but they will be gone in natural way in like 15-20 more years.

[Olympian1010 8,284]

16 hours ago, Griff88 said:

 

It's all the same, no matter what you choose if you got corruption.... you know the answer

Not if you elect the right people, and keep a watchful eye on those you elect. It would take effort, but we really could limit corruption.

[Olympian1010 8,284]

Apparently I’m not the only one noticing the political trends and causes lately. There are some very good articles and threads with a read in this Twitter moment: https://twitter.com/i/events/1188210294255828992

[konig 1,585]

Well, the communism kill over 100 million people in the last century and clearly fail, the USSR dont exit anymore......like the nacional-socialism, they must continue to be "buried" in history, sadly, they continue causing problems with gramscianism......

[George_D 1,595]

3 hours ago, konig said:

Well, the communism kill over 100 million people in the last century and clearly fail, the USSR dont exit anymore......like the nacional-socialism, they must continue to be "buried" in history, sadly, they continue causing problems with gramscianism......

Today we have elections in Argentina! 

[George_D 1,595]

20 hours ago, Monzanator said:

 

I told you before Democratic Sociallism only works in countries with huge natural resources and small population. That's why it works so well in Scandinavia where Norway is the wealthiest country in Europe by GDP. Norway, Switzerland and Luxembourg are the three wealthies countries in the world that are not islands or microstates (like Monaco). For comparison the population of these countries combined is 40% of Poland's population.

 

Evo Morales who was elected for another term in Bolivia comes from a party called Movement for Sociallism. Yeah, I think I'm gonna call him a 100% sociallist here Sociallism is so widespread in South America because it was a natural opposition to the previously widespread military juntas that ruled the continent until the 80s or early 90s. The entire South America is ruled by left-wing which should make you very happy indeed. Of course Bolsonaro in Brazil is right-wing but that's because the previously widely popular left-wing President was busted for - what else - corruption   so we had a shift in poitical landscape. Corruption in politics happens across all options, right-wing, left-wing, communism, capitalism or sociallism. It's a core disease and there is no cure IMO.

 

Poland has achieved the impossible already, we overthrew communism (labelled sociallism from the 70s) which seemed impossible like 20 years prior to 1989. We can't do any better than that IMO. Thirty years on and our political landscape is divided between conservative-rights who remain conservative and former conservative-rights who pretend to be liberal (especially in business). The new left-wing still has members of former Communist Party calling the shots but they will be gone in natural way in like 15-20 more years.

Yes but after you overthrew communism their successor party came back again through elections in 1995 ?

[Monzanator 5,075]

2 hours ago, George_D said:

Yes but after you overthrew communism their successor party came back again through elections in 1995 ?

 

In 1993 The Polish society was shocked by the free market rule and how many jobs were lost and public companies sold to private owners only to be closed down immediately afterwards.

[thepharoah 2,413]

Trump announced killing of ISIS leader abu bakr el baghdadi 

[heywoodu 16,434]

Just now, thepharoah said:

Trump announced killing of ISIS leader abu bakr el baghdadi 

Oops, I was talking about that in the general thread

 

Well, excellent news of course. Too bad Trump is being Trump and makes it look like his victory