[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 11/6/2024 at 7:20 PM, copravolley said:

Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were more liberals than socialists. It was simply that life was good then, the economy was booming and there was relative peace. Besides, Russia and China were weak.

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Except this 1996 act was probably the longest-lasting social effect of Clinton's tenure and helped to drop poverty until the immigration rise became a political topic again. After all let's don't pretend immigration to USA never happened until 2010s.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

[Orangehair43 257]

https://x.com/TelegraphSport/status/1854256146762150256?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

[NearPup 3,250]

Elissa Slotkin winning the Michigan senate seat is definitively something that will confound some naratives.

 

Hard to imagine that the Muslim and Pro Palestinian protest vote had that much of a real impact if Harris lost Michigan while a Jewish and very pro-Israel Democrat won the open senate seat in the state with the highest Muslim population nation.

Edited November 6, 2024 by NearPup

[copravolley 325]

  On 11/6/2024 at 7:35 PM, Federer91 said:

I see you are not very familiar with American politics and how they work, otherwise you would know why a non-consecutive second term is much more historic, than a regular incumbent being reelected.

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The think about you writing about is rarer but that doesn't mean that you can belittle, for example, Obama, who won twice in a row. What was he supposed to do at that time? Deliberately lose in 2012 so he could run in 2016? He couldn't have run more than twice. In Trump's case, it's more the downfall of the USA itself: first of all, the lack of credible and capable leaders at a younger age. After all, what happened in 2020 in elections was a parody: two old guys (one with dementia, the other clown with numerous court judgments). Then you wonder why Putin and the leader from China aren't afraid of the USA, since they have such incompetent people as opponents. It hurts me a lot because in the 90s I admired the USA and Clinton was a role model od modern leader in Europe and now? Looking at their elections and their leaders I just smile bitterly.

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[copravolley 325]

  On 11/6/2024 at 12:17 PM, rybak said:

I think that its time to cancel USA as a world leader...

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I think it's already slowly happening. These things happen on their own, not because someone decides to.

[George_D 1,206]

  On 11/6/2024 at 7:18 PM, Monzanator said:

 

In the 90s the left wing parties still represented the working class. It's no longer the case 30 years later and that working class started to vote for right wing.

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thats true. If anyone observes the US election map then he can see that Harris dominated in NorthEast states and the Eastern Coast, exactly where the big economic centres are based (New York, New Jersey, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco etc).

 

Also what i observe regarding politics in western europe is that Socialdemocratic/centre-left parties have become extremely pro-market and even neo-liberal and some traditional right parties have become euroscepticist and protectionist, exactly the opposite as it was in 70s-80s

[Adriano 594]

  On 11/6/2024 at 8:18 PM, ChandlerMne said:

Its so funny and amusing to read hate comments from "democrats" on web.

Celebrities especially. 

Just read some stupidity from Cara Delevingne. Of course, typical lingo - fascists and so on. Without a single decent sentence. 

Hillarious. 

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He is fascist. Even use the same narration like famous german/Austrian painter.

[ChandlerMne 1,098]

  On 11/7/2024 at 4:09 PM, Adriano said:

He is fascist. Even use the same narration like famous german/Austrian painter.

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Vast majority of Americans will disagree with you. That's all that counts.

I dont see many differences in so called fascism between democrats and republicans. Both were bombing any country they picked, both were ruining systems they wanted to. 

I prefer reds more because they are at least honest about it.

Also, i dont like what this ultraliberalism brought to our whole Earth.

Whoever opposes this level of insanity will have my vote.

 

[Monzanator 4,611]

  On 11/7/2024 at 4:09 PM, Adriano said:

He is fascist. Even use the same narration like famous german/Austrian painter.

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He's a businessman and the world simply doesn't remember what the world looks like when USA adopts isolationism. Trump will get involved if only he can make a profit. And his #1 geopolitical enemy is China. Not Russia, North Korea or Iran but China. Modern society especially in Europe simply doesn't understand that becuse nobody is old enough to remember the Monroe Doctrine which predates fascism by a full century. I don't think even in USA they call James Monroe a fascist

[Wanderer 1,738]

The Democrats have only themselves to blame for the outcome. However, just to think what were two candidates for a president of the most powerful country is just laughable. The meltdown of European countries on these results is quite a popcorn moment though, love to see it, especially the German one. 

Also, someone said RIP Ukraine, RIP Palestinians - like Palestinians were doing so well over the past year while Democrats were still in charge, so now is gonna be even worse? Yeah, Trump might not be as generous in helping Ukraine though.