[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[AmericanHero40 222]

  On 9/28/2024 at 5:32 PM, heywoodu said:

"We"  

 

But yeah, just saying "oh its war, we are the good guys, just defending ourselves" isn't different to what the 'other side' says. Very plain, very simple: both Netanyahu and his cronies and the terrorists of Hamas, Hezbollah and so on have insane amounts of blood on their hands. They can try to wash it by saying "but the other guys are worse!", but that doesn't work.

 

Oh well, I don't believe in an afterlife, but if I did, I'd be happy knowing where these 'leaders' will end up, all in the same place.

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No, it's not, because the other side are openly calling for extermination of Israel and jews, while, if given a chance we would love the whole region to be together and work together, on trade and other things

 

What do you think the ABRAHAM ACCORDS are? attempt to normalize the region, and if not for October 7th (or biden's election), then Saudi Arabia would've been a part of it. so 100000% Hammas and Hizballah are the bad guys , and even suggesting that Israel are not really shows that you don't understand the region and not truly know what's happening there, and rather parroting what you hear from the media or see on social media.

 

And if you think that it's a Netanyahu thing, it's not, not even close, the Israeli elected officials support it. Up until 2 months ago, the leader of the opposition Benny Ganz was in a unity government, Leaders of the left like Yair Lapid support the current work in Lebanon.

 

 

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  On 9/29/2024 at 7:44 AM, AmericanHero40 said:

Btw.  You should know that palestine is a made up country.   It never existed in history.  Before israel was awarded the land it was the British empire.  And before that the Turkish empire.    And you can google to see who was there before the turks.  But it was never palestine.   The people are Jordanian that Yasser Arafat took from Jordan because the king was killing them.   So if you're looking for a home, I would go to Jordan.   And Gaza was taken from Egypt in 1967.   Yet when sinai was given back, they never wanted Gaza.  I WONDER WHY!

 

so keep talking about a made up country that doesn't actually exist

 

Can wait to see your well thought and coherent response

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And before the Turkish empire it was another. And before that yet another. And yet another. And yet another. Always a good illustration of the never-ending killing of each other in especially that region. "The god in my stories is better, so we need to kill you and everyone around you" often being a central theme.

 

 

In short, nobody 'deserves' to be there (or anywhere in the world, for that matter) and definitely nobody right now can genuinely claim the land on historical grounds or anything (which apparently people often do), unless they're a proven descendant of the first cavemen and hunter-gatherers and such coming from Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

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[AmericanHero40 222]

  On 9/29/2024 at 8:08 AM, heywoodu said:

And before the Turkish empire it was another. And before that yet another. And yet another. And yet another. Always a good illustration of the never-ending killing of each other in especially that region. "The god in my stories is better, so we need to kill you and everyone around you" often being a central theme.

 

 

In short, nobody 'deserves' to be there (or anywhere in the world, for that matter) and definitely nobody right now can genuinely claim the land on historical grounds or anything, unless they're a proven descendant of the first cavemen and hunter-gatherers and such coming from Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

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But actually we can, going back to the crusades, to the Jewish exile from the land of Israel.    To Moses who walked the sinai desert for 40 years to get into israel.   To all the stories in the Bible about israel.  And even Jesus who was born a jew in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.  All places you can see to date.   The only way you would argue that there is no historic proof that israel is out land is if you are simply and atheist and dont believe anything in the Bible.   

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  On 9/29/2024 at 8:20 AM, AmericanHero40 said:

But actually we can, going back to the crusades, to the Jewish exile from the land of Israel.    To Moses who walked the sinai desert for 40 years to get into israel.   To all the stories in the Bible about israel.  And even Jesus who was born a jew in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.  All places you can see to date.   The only way you would argue that there is no historic proof that israel is out land is if you are simply and atheist and dont believe anything in the Bible.   

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Half of those things, if not more, are simply stories though. One may believe them or not, fine, but those aren't really reasons to claim a land. That way anyone can claim it if they have some old story that says so, and we end up in exactly the same situation. 

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added to my avatar , enormous map of Palestine 1946 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Now the flag +map of Palestine 

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  On 9/29/2024 at 8:08 AM, heywoodu said:

And before the Turkish empire it was another. And before that yet another. And yet another. And yet another. Always a good illustration of the never-ending killing of each other in especially that region. "The god in my stories is better, so we need to kill you and everyone around you" often being a central theme.

 

 

In short, nobody 'deserves' to be there (or anywhere in the world, for that matter) and definitely nobody right now can genuinely claim the land on historical grounds or anything (which apparently people often do), unless they're a proven descendant of the first cavemen and hunter-gatherers and such coming from Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

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Looks like cursed land, damn!

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  On 9/29/2024 at 8:34 AM, heywoodu said:

Half of those things, if not more, are simply stories though. One may believe them or not, fine, but those aren't really reasons to claim a land. That way anyone can claim it if they have some old story that says so, and we end up in exactly the same situation. 

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Those are not stories.   It's the same as you calling history book that talks about Christopher Columbus stories.  The Bible is a history book just like others.   There is a lot of proof that those "stories" are real scattered all around Israel.  

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  On 9/29/2024 at 4:58 PM, AmericanHero40 said:

Those are not stories.   It's the same as you calling history book that talks about Christopher Columbus stories.  The Bible is a history book just like others.   There is a lot of proof that those "stories" are real scattered all around Israel.  

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I know religious people are definitely never going to admit most of the stories have no historical basis at all, that's fine. Anyway, unless one can prove they're a direct relative of the cavemen of tens of thousands of years ago in this specific area, there is just no claiming it as "our land" based on nothing.

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The bible says a bunch of people in ancient times used to live for >200 years....