Artistic Gymnastics 2018 Discussion Thread

[dcro 10,210]

30 minutes ago, Quasit said:

Yes, but chances are we will see a distorted medal table if we have and in some sports and in others.

Having for any entity winning medals is annoying enough as it is.

 

At least by that token we'll get to have a nation winning it's first ever medal. Although, saying that, I highly doubt that any of the two parties would be interested to go united in an event where they actually have a medal chance.

[DaniSRB 899]

As dcro said enough with publicity, we have had enough at 2018 Winter Olympics

 

and second, i think it is very unfair, imagine tomorrow ex Soviet or Yugoslavian states say, let's participate together in team sports as together we are gold medal favourite in each sport, in this case it is just extra help for South Korean teams anyway  (and of course they will both separately compete in qualification process which is double unfair)

Edited September 28, 2018 by DaniSRB

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

Hamza Hossaini from  earned the bronze medal on vault at the Paris World Challenge Cup. This is Morocco's first medal at an official FIG event. Morocco now joins Algeria, Egypt, South Africa and Tunisia as the only African nations to win a medal at the FIG World Cup.

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

Em 9/28/2018 at 13:02, DaniSRB disse:

As dcro said enough with publicity, we have had enough at 2018 Winter Olympics

 

and second, i think it is very unfair, imagine tomorrow ex Soviet or Yugoslavian states say, let's participate together in team sports as together we are gold medal favourite in each sport, in this case it is just extra help for South Korean teams anyway  (and of course they will both separately compete in qualification process which is double unfair)

I have to say it's a bad thing for these nations to compete together in men's artistic gymnastics. I'll try to explain in detail.

First, The 2012 Olympic vault champion is from South Korea, the 2016 Olympic vault champion is from North Korea. These gymnasts work great as individuals, but they could never compete together in the same team. At the 2020 Olympics, teams will be composed of four gymnasts, and these gymnasts have to perform 18 routines during the qualification stage: 2 gymnasts will perform 6 routines, and 2 other gymnasts will need to perform on three apparatus each. Vault specialists perform usually on one apparatus: vault (or maybe two, vault and floor) and it's virtually impossible for a team to have two vault specialists if they only perform on vault (or vault and floor).

 

Second: there's a chance we can have one gymnast from  and two gymnasts from  competing in vault finals at the 2019 World Championships. I'd say there's a 10% chance for this to happen, but 10% still beats zero. However, If they compete in the same team, only 2 gymnasts per nation can advance to the finals, so one of them will have to sit out, which is bad for these nations. 

 

Third:   has a real chance to qualify 4 gymnasts in a team and 1 gymnast as a specialist, and  has the chance to qualify 1 gymnast as a specialist. The thing is: both  and  could qualify 1 gymnast each as a specialist, but if they join forces, they would only be able to qualify 1 specialist (I mean, there's still, technically, a chance for them to qualify 2 specialists, but this would be a lot harder if they work together instead of competing separately).

It would slightly make a difference in women's artistic gymnastics, though. If North and South Korea join forces, they could realistically try to qualify a full women's team since major nations like Romania and Germany are struggling with their women's programs and will have trouble qualifying a full team for the 2020 Olympics. The problem for Korea is that there are many programs on the rise, especially Brazil, France, the Netherlands and Argentina.

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by thiago_simoes

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

Since the YOG topic is too crowded, I'll post it here both as a reminder to myself and as a way to keep people informed.

Iran and Ireland reached for the first time ever the finals in artistic gymnastics at an Olympic event. Iran on men's pommel horse, Ireland on women's vault.

[heywoodu 15,141]

Dutch women's team for the world champs: Sanne Wevers, Vera van Pol, Kirsten Polderman, Sanna Veerman, Naomi Visser and Tisha Volleman.

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

More history in the making: at the 2018 YOG, Vietnam also reached the finals for the first time ever at an Olympic event. 

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

This is HUGE news for gymnastics: the girl from Costa Rica qualified to the all-around final in artistic gymnastics.

This is especially surprising because she did not qualify to the YOG "normally" -- she was the first reserve, and two weeks ago she was officially announced as a qualifier because the US gave up their quota. And now she will be in an Olympic final. AMAZING!

 

Edited October 11, 2018 by thiago_simoes

[thiago_simoes 1,423]

Now that the YOG are over, I want to comment about the team event.

It was terrible.

I mean, it's a good idea to have a team event, but the fact that gymnasts were randomly assigned to teams made things unfair. For example, first and second place in qualifications in rhythmic gymnastics were occupied by Russia and Italy, and then both gymnasts ended up together in the same team (Team Simone Biles). The leader (and gold medal winner) in women's trampoline and the eventual gold medalists in acrobatic gymnastics were also part of the team. The problem is: the team also had one male artistic gymnast from South Africa who finished 33rd among 34 gymnasts. It also had one female artistic gymnast from Singapore who finished 27th out of 32 gymnasts. And, yes, they were awarded gold with the team.

 

Teams should have been smaller, and gymnasts should have been given the choice to add who they wanted to their teams. At the very least, they should have created teams based on continents (North America, Europe 1, South America, Africa and so on) in order to guarantee everybody was on the same level. While it's great for South Africa and Singapore to have a gymnast who is now an Olympic medalist in gymnastics, I ask myself if they really deserved to be there.

 

Now, not everything was problematic, though. The mixed pairs in acrobatics from Portugal and Belarus earned team medals. So did Adam Tobin from Great Britain and Robert Vilarasau of Spain. None of them won medals when competing alone, and they did all great, so they deserved a medal and they got it through the team event. The problem is that a bunch of people who did not deserve medals also earned them.

 

 

[heywoodu 15,141]

Just now, thiago_simoes said:

Now that the YOG are over, I want to comment about the team event.

It was terrible.

I mean, it's a good idea to have a team event, but the fact that gymnasts were randomly assigned to teams made things unfair. For example, first and second place in qualifications in rhythmic gymnastics were occupied by Russia and Italy, and then both gymnasts ended up together in the same team (Team Simone Biles). The leader (and gold medal winner) in women's trampoline and the eventual gold medalists in acrobatic gymnastics were also part of the team. The problem is: the team also had one male artistic gymnast from South Africa who finished 33rd among 34 gymnasts. It also had one female artistic gymnast from Singapore who finished 27th out of 32 gymnasts. And, yes, they were awarded gold with the team.

 

Teams should have been smaller, and gymnasts should have been given the choice to add who they wanted to their teams. At the very least, they should have created teams based on continents (North America, Europe 1, South America, Africa and so on) in order to guarantee everybody was on the same level. While it's great for South Africa and Singapore to have a gymnast who is now an Olympic medalist in gymnastics, I ask myself if they really deserved to be there.

 

Now, not everything was problematic, though. The mixed pairs in acrobatics from Portugal and Belarus earned team medals. So did Adam Tobin from Great Britain and Robert Vilarasau of Spain. None of them won medals when competing alone, and they did all great, so they deserved a medal and they got it through the team event. The problem is that a bunch of people who did not deserve medals also earned them.

 

 

Well, that's the thing with mixed nation mixed team events at the Youth Olympics. Same thing with speed skating at the winter version for example, where medals were won by athletes who individually would never be anywhere close to a medal, because they were in a team with some of the best individual skaters. I'm guessing the same thing happened in table tennis, badminton and so on.