Summer Olympic Games Los Angeles 2028 Team Sizes Road to LA 2028

[Sindo 1,651]

3 hours ago, hondrakis said:

 

The tracker is very complete (and clearly represents a lot of work), but it does not work for the information I am talking about when there are multiple athletes qualified for the same event. For example, for France, there were 388 quotas for 2024 (according to my count); where the tracker indicates 578 athletes and 258 events.

 

Even the per-sport counter on the country summary page only indicates the number of athletes and not the number of quotas (for example, in archery, France had 9 quotas: 3 team, 3 men's individual, and 3 women's individual), and you have to add the numbers in the "LIST OF ATHLETES PER EVENT" table, which isn't practical for getting an overall view of the country. Furthermore, I would find it interesting to be able to compare the country to others, as is done in this thread.

 

But to clarify, I'm not saying that the information on the number of athletes is not interesting (it is different and useful information), and I'm not asking someone else to keep track of it for me, I just thought I'd keep track of it anyway, and share it one way or another (even if I might have a lot of trouble keeping track when there are a lot of events at the same time, in regions other than Europe or for events where there are a lot of qualified people, such as Athletics)

 

Yeah, that makes sense. But I think keeping track of both athletes quotas and event's quotas would be a bit redundant. And the event's quotas might even be harder to track in those sports where athletes might decide last minute to take part in some additional events (like Shooting, Athletics, Swimming, Track Cycling etc.

 

3 hours ago, hondrakis said:

For example, for France, there were 388 quotas for 2024 (according to my count); where the tracker indicates 578 athletes and 258 events.

I guess the main difference here is for events where 2 or 3 athletes qualified for the same event, right? So it count as one event but as 2/3 event's quotas because there are 2/3 athletes who could potentially win a medal.

 

3 hours ago, hondrakis said:

Furthermore, I would find it interesting to be able to compare the country to others, as is done in this thread.

It is already possible to "compare" the qualified athletes in the tracker. If you go in the Paris 2024 qualification by nation, you can click on the "Sort NOCs" button and order them alphabetically (default view) or by qualified athletes. Maybe the best way to implement your idea would be to add one more field here and add the "total event quotas" here. Would you like to contribute with that?

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13 hours ago, Sindo said:

 

I guess the main difference here is for events where 2 or 3 athletes qualified for the same event, right? So it count as one event but as 2/3 event's quotas because there are 2/3 athletes who could potentially win a medal.

 

Yes, that's the problem.

 

 

12 hours ago, Sindo said:

Yeah, that makes sense. But I think keeping track of both athletes quotas and event's quotas would be a bit redundant. And the event's quotas might even be harder to track in those sports where athletes might decide last minute to take part in some additional events (like Shooting, Athletics, Swimming, Track Cycling etc.

 

For track cycling, each nation earns non-nominal quotas, so it's actually easier to get the right numbers than for a number of athletes.

Things are indeed more complicated for some other sports. Here's how I handle the calculations when I do the same thing for France:
- For swimming and athletics, I take the number of athletes who have achieved the A score, capped at the maximum number of athletes from a nation per event. The drawback is that we're not sure whether a nation will actually use all the quotas it has earned (for example, France almost always uses additional criteria), but this gives an initial estimate that will be refined when the official selections are announced. I don't usually take B scores (which only grant access to a single athlete) because France doesn't usually take them into account, but managing them for smaller nations could be possible, even if more time-consuming. -For shooting, it's the most complicated, since a shooter can participate in as many events as they want as long as they've qualified. For France in 2024, I considered that a shooter who obtained a quota also earned a quota for all the other events in which they appear in the ranking. But it might be more complicated to manage for so many nations and athletes.
-For weightlifting (where the number of places across all events is limited by nation), I would consider the places per event as long as the limit wasn't exceeded, and then I would consider the number of quotas as being "For the entire discipline" instead of per event.

These are, I think, the only four discipline for which a quota counter as close as possible to reality would be more complicated. But on the other hand, it's also quite complicated to do these athletes counts before the nations announce the selections, for the same reason that you put forward, since it's impossible to know if an athlete is not going to participate in several different events.

 

13 hours ago, Sindo said:

It is already possible to "compare" the qualified athletes in the tracker. If you go in the Paris 2024 qualification by nation, you can click on the "Sort NOCs" button and order them alphabetically (default view) or by qualified athletes. Maybe the best way to implement your idea would be to add one more field here and add the "total event quotas" here. Would you like to contribute with that?

 

I'd never noticed this button, to be honest... Adding the total number of events wouldn't really solve my question because of these cases of events with multiple athletes per nation. Ideally, I think I'd have to add the total number of events and the total quotas to get all three pieces of information, all important in different cases, but it's definitely more work...

 

And honestly, I'd be delighted to participate in one way or another (within my means). I've been doing this for France for 12 years now, in an even more complex version, since I add to my accounts the athletes who would qualify thanks to a ranking if the qualification period ended now (things that are far too complex to manage for all 200 nations; especially rankings for sports with a lot of qualifiers). I also differentiate between quotas validated by the French federation—that is, where the participating athletes have been announced—and those where confirmation is pending.

 

 

Here's an example of my personal chart for 2024 (in French and for France), with "FRA!!" in yellow when the quota is confirmed, "FRA??" when it should be won but hasn't yet confirm, and in black when the quota was possible but hasn't been won: