Speed Skating 2017 - 2018 Discussion Thread

[NearPup 4,188]

This is what the quota situation looks like after the first of four world cups, excluding the time ranking which ads 16 places for the 500m/1000m/1500m, 8 places for the 3000/5000m, 4 places for the 5000/10000m and 2 places for the team pursuit.

 

Max number of athletes is 3 per event for the 500m, 1000m, 1500m and the 3000/5000m while it's 2 per event for the 5000/10000m and the mass start. A country can have up to ten skaters if they qualify in every event, otherwise the limit is eight.

 

Women:

 

	500m	1000m	1500m	3000m	5000m	MS	TP	Max
	1	1				2		4
						1		1
	3	2	3	2	1	2	X	10
	2	1				2		5
	1	1	2	1	1	2		8
						1		1
			1	2		1	X	4
						2		2
	3	3	3	3	2	2	X	10
	1	1						2
	3	1				1	X	5
	1	3	3	3	2	2	X	10
	1	1	1					3
		1	1			1	X	3
	2	2	3	3	2	1		8
						1		1
		1						1
						1		1
	2	2	3	2		2		8

 

Men:

 

	500m	1000m	1500m	5000m	10000m	MS	TP	Max
			1			1		2
			1			1		2
	3	2	1	2	1	1	X	10
						1		1
						2		2
	1	1						2
	1	1		1	1	1		3
	1	1		2	1			5
				2	1	1	X	4
	3	1	2	1		2		8
						1		1
	3	3	1			2	X	9
			1			1		2
	3	3	3	3	2	2		8
				1	1	2	X	4
	1	1	3	2	1	1	X	9
	1	1	2			1		5
	2	3	3	2		1	X	10
						1		1
	2	3	3			2		8

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by NearPup

[heywoodu 16,476]

I wouldn't be surprised if 'we' end up with nobody in the women's 500m. It's very likely to have the lowest possible position in the Dutch 'selection matrix' since there's almost no medal chance anyway  

[NearPup 4,188]

52 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

I wouldn't be surprised if 'we' end up with nobody in the women's 500m. It's very likely to have the lowest possible position in the Dutch 'selection matrix' since there's almost no medal chance anyway  

The Netherlands will definitively get quotas, probably 3. Keep in mind on top of the 20 athletes qualified by world cup ranking there are 16 spots available for the best performers in Calgary and Salt Lake City via the time ranking, it's not that hard for a good speed skating nation to qualify three spots in the 500/1000/1500.

 

The real question is if the Netherlands will send any 500m specialists or if they will simply use the 500m as a warm-up race. My guess is that they won't be sending any 500m specialists.

[heywoodu 16,476]

6 hours ago, Nate River said:

The Netherlands will definitively get quotas, probably 3. Keep in mind on top of the 20 athletes qualified by world cup ranking there are 16 spots available for the best performers in Calgary and Salt Lake City via the time ranking, it's not that hard for a good speed skating nation to qualify three spots in the 500/1000/1500.

 

The real question is if the Netherlands will send any 500m specialists or if they will simply use the 500m as a warm-up race. My guess is that they won't be sending any 500m specialists.

That's what I meant  

 

It all depends on the 'selection matrix' and who will qualify in which distances. 

[NearPup 4,188]

Olympic time ranking for the women's 5000m and the men's 10000m (top 12, two per country):

 

Women:

1.  Claudia Pechstein - 6:56.60
2.  Ivanie Blondin - 6:57.34
3.  Esmee Visser - 6:58.04
4.  Martina Sáblíková - 6:59.95
5.  Isabelle Weidemann - 7:00.82
6.  Irene Schouten - 7:01.03
7.  Natalia Voronia - 7:02.40
8.  Anna Yurakova - 7:06.33
9.  Nana Tagaki - 7:08.77
10.  Misaki Oshigiri - 7:09.56
11.  Marina Zueva - 7:11.39
12.  Carlijn Schoutens - 7:11.45

Germany, Canada, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic are now guaranteed at least one quota each in the women's 5000m.

 

Men:

1.  Sven Kramer - 12:50.97
2.  Ted-Jan Bloemen - 12:52.64
3.  Davide Ghiotto - 12:53.63
4.  Jouke Hoogeveen - 12:56.62
5.  Alexander Rumyantsev - 12:57.45
6.  Nicola Tumolero - 13:02.11
7.  Sverre Lunde Pedersen - 13:02.42
8.  Patrick Beckert - 13:04.97
9.  Peter Michael - 13:07.20
10.  Moritz Geirseiter - 13:08.87
11.  Seung-Hoon Lee - 13:09.26
12.  Jordan Belchos - 13:10.30

The Netherlands is guaranteed two quotas (the maximum) in the men's 10000m. Canada and Italy are guaranteed at least one quota.

Edited November 19, 2017 by NearPup

[NearPup 4,188]

This is what the quota situation looks like after the second of four world cups. I exclude the time ranking for all events except the men's 10000m and the women's 5000m.

 

Max number of athletes is 3 per event for the 500m, 1000m, 1500m and the 3000/5000m while it's 2 per event for the 5000/10000m and the mass start. A country can have up to ten skaters if they qualify in every event, otherwise the limit is eight.

 

Women:

	500m	1000m	1500m	3000m	5000m	MS	TP	MAX
	1	1				2		4
				1	1	1		3
	3	2	3	2	2	2	X	10
	2	2	1			2		7
	1	1	1	1	1	2		7
						1		1
						1		1
			1	1	1	1	X	4
				1		2		3
	3	3	3	2	2	2	X	10
	3					1	X	4
	1	3	3	3	2	2	X	10
	1	1	1					3
		1	2			1	X	4
	2	3	3	3	2	1		8
						1		1
		1				1		1
	3	2	2	2	1	2		8

 

Men:

	500m	1000m	1500m	5000m	10000m	MS	TP	MAX
		1				1		2
						1		1
	3	2	2	2	2	1	X	10
						1		1
						2		2
	1	1						2
				1		1		2
	1	2		2	2			7
				3	2	1	X	6
	3	1	3			2		8
						1		1
	3	2	1	1	1	2	X	10
			1			1		2
	3	3	3	3	2	2		8
				1	1	2	X	4
	1	1	3	2	1	1	X	9
	1	1	1			1		4
	2	3	3	1	1	1	X	10
						1		1
	1	3	3			2		8

 

[intoronto 6,947]

Quota standings:

http://www.isu.org/docman-documents-links/isu-files/event-documents/speed-skating-8/2017-18/world-cups-10/series-files-16/documents/15450-qualification-of-noc-event-quota-places/file

[intoronto 6,947]

 

Following nations would qualify (29 in total!):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dcro 10,211]

Estonia, Great Britain and Hungary though are literally holding the last available quotas in their disciplines. It will be hard to keep those.

[NearPup 4,188]

Stock reminder that the current time rankings are going to be completly irelevent after the Calgary amd Salt Lake City world cups (except for the 5000m/10000m since the time ranking is based on only one world cup race).