Pan American Games 2023

[mrv86 3,264]

17 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

In defense of Lacrosse, it is about as Pan American as a sport can get. In terms of origin and top countries. I do agree that it largely non-competitive at the moment, but maybe World Games inclusion will help with that a little.

Yes, I'd love to see Lacrosse being included in future editions, as you said, it is an authentic American sport. and there are now enough teams to at least have a 6 NOC's field.

[mrv86 3,264]

21 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Honestly, the sport I’m most sad about not being on the Pan Am program is Ulama. Obviously it doesn’t have an international federation, and it’s only played in a few places at the moment (though it is expanding), but it is the most Pan American sport out there. It’s the OG of Pan American sports, having been played by Mesoamericans for centuries. It’s a shame that there’s never really been an effort to develop it on the continent, and get it on the program 

Well, this sport is not even fully implemented in Mexico and has not made it into the Olimpiada Juvenil, an event also cancelled by our pseudo communist current government.

[thiago_simoes 1,458]

51 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

In defense of Lacrosse, it is about as Pan American as a sport can get. In terms of origin and top countries. I do agree that it largely non-competitive at the moment, but maybe World Games inclusion will help with that a little.

I agree about the origin, but it barely reaches the minimum number of federations to justify its inclusion in the Pan Am sports program. I don't think we need this sport at the Pan Am Games in any form, to be honest.
 

49 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Honestly, the sport I’m most sad about not being on the Pan Am program is Ulama. Obviously it doesn’t have an international federation, and it’s only played in a few places at the moment (though it is expanding), but it is the most Pan American sport out there. It’s the OG of Pan American sports, having been played by Mesoamericans for centuries. It’s a shame that there’s never really been an effort to develop it on the continent, and get it on the program 

This doesn't make any sense. If it has been played in Mexico and Central America, it does not fit the definition of a Pan American sport at all.

In the end, it depends on what people want from the Pan American Games. There are those who want a mini-Olympics with countries from North, Centra and South American, and the Caribbean, and there are a few people who want that specific, indigenous and exotic sports eventually get added to the program. I'd be okay with a Pan American Indigenous Games or something like that, but I don't really understand why sports that are barely played on the continent are even considered for a full fledged edition of the Pan Ams. I mean, we already have some weird sports like Basque Pelota, Water Skiing and Racquetball, so why add even more bizarre sports to the program? What will come next? Capoeira?

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29 minutes ago, mrv86 said:

Well, this sport is not even fully implemented in Mexico and has not made it into the Olimpiada Juvenil, an event also cancelled by our pseudo communist current government.

Man, your views on politics really make me cringe. I would never think you're one of those people who see any leftist government as pseudo-communism, but here we are. Besides, it doesn't make any sense: if the government is pseudo-communist, why cancel a sports event which would celebrate national identity?

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46 minutes ago, thiago_simoes said:

Man, your views on politics really make me cringe. I would never think you're one of those people who see any leftist government as pseudo-communism, but here we are. Besides, it doesn't make any sense: if the government is pseudo-communist, why cancel a sports event which would celebrate national identity?

I had high hopes for AMLO, but he has morphed into your run of the mill Central American corrupt socialist/communist.
 

His policy has been to defund sports, and put the money towards programs that help the general populace if I’m not mistaken...

 

I haven’t followed Mexican politics much lately, so @mrv86 could probably explain the sports thing better than me.

[mrv86 3,264]

1 hour ago, thiago_simoes said:

Man, your views on politics really make me cringe. I would never think you're one of those people who see any leftist government as pseudo-communism, but here we are. Besides, it doesn't make any sense: if the government is pseudo-communist, why cancel a sports event which would celebrate national identity?

That's why I call them pseudo communist. They say they're left leaning and keeping the country away from conservatism and neoliberalism, yet:

 

• The President and the Congress he controls is moving towards criminalizing memes about government officials.
• He was about to deprive 75% of public employees of their computers and then force them to buy them back from the government.
• He supports strong Evangelical sects, which have cause lack of funds for the National Humans Right Commission, which he calls absurds.
• He's about to end the independence of the Electoral authority and courts.
• He cut the funds for public sports and Olympic hopefuls, yet he gave away more than 2 thousand million pesos to private entrepeneurs of the Mexican Baseball League.
• He signed that aberration called T-MEC, which basically ends any benefit NAFTA had for Mexican industry and services, and now turns the country into a slave force.

 

I have no ill will toward social (but not socialist) systems, like the policies that have been implemented by some European countries; but, as I have repeatedly said in this forum, there is not a single left leaning or socialist politician in the whole country; just a bunch of  thieves and crooks who use political terms to further down their own personal fortunes.

 

 

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4 hours ago, mrv86 said:

That's why I call them pseudo communist. They say they're left leaning and keeping the country away from conservatism and neoliberalism, yet:

 

• The President and the Congress he controls is moving towards criminalizing memes about government officials.
• He was about to deprive 75% of public employees of their computers and then force them to buy them back from the government.
• He supports strong Evangelical sects, which have cause lack of funds for the National Humans Right Commission, which he calls absurds.
• He's about to end the independence of the Electoral authority and courts.
• He cut the funds for public sports and Olympic hopefuls, yet he gave away more than 2 thousand million pesos to private entrepeneurs of the Mexican Baseball League.
• He signed that aberration called T-MEC, which basically ends any benefit NAFTA had for Mexican industry and services, and now turns the country into a slave force.

 

I have no ill will toward social (but not socialist) systems, like the policies that have been implemented by some European countries; but, as I have repeatedly said in this forum, there is not a single left leaning or socialist politician in the whole country; just a bunch of  thieves and crooks who use political terms to further down their own personal fortunes.

 

 

But the whole thing about governments that strongly support sports is that they want people to be proud of the nation while they do terrible things when no one is paying attention. I've not seen any act of communism here, honestly, and that was my point when I replied to your message. It doesn't mean that I support any of his actions, but I can't say I understand much about what's going on in Mexico now, to be honest. However, my main point of concern is that one can't just throw the word "communist" whenever one doesn't like what the government is doing. I mean, here in Brazil people have feared communist for decades now, to the point of electing Bolsonaro, and we're in deep, deep trouble thanks to him. Not that AMLO seems to be any better, especially when it comes to how he deals with the covid-19 pandemic, but it's not like I see him as a communist in the slightest (okay, criminalizing memes is bad, but that's about it).

[mrv86 3,264]

1 hour ago, thiago_simoes said:

But the whole thing about governments that strongly support sports is that they want people to be proud of the nation while they do terrible things when no one is paying attention. I've not seen any act of communism here, honestly, and that was my point when I replied to your message. It doesn't mean that I support any of his actions, but I can't say I understand much about what's going on in Mexico now, to be honest. However, my main point of concern is that one can't just throw the word "communist" whenever one doesn't like what the government is doing. I mean, here in Brazil people have feared communist for decades now, to the point of electing Bolsonaro, and we're in deep, deep trouble thanks to him. Not that AMLO seems to be any better, especially when it comes to how he deals with the covid-19 pandemic, but it's not like I see him as a communist in the slightest (okay, criminalizing memes is bad, but that's about it).

 

Well, without going further in a thread that doesn't belong, let's say I'm against any word that finishes in "-ism". As a profesor at high school said, "any ism seeks to have the absolute truth in a world of relatives"

 

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Here is some more Santiago 2023 news, baseball/softball were to be dropped as well, but PASO forced them to keep the sports. So clearly they have their favourites. 

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hace 6 horas, mrv86 dijo:

 

Well, without going further in a thread that doesn't belong, let's say I'm against any word that finishes in "-ism". As a profesor at high school said, "any ism seeks to have the absolute truth in a world of relatives"

 

 

So.. your professor advocated for relativism    

  

Not that it is a bad thing.