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Qualified Nations
 

  • BEL.gif Belgium
  • BRA.gif Brazil
  • CRO.gif Croatia
  • CZE.gif Czechia
  • EST.gif Estonia
  • FRO.gif Faroe Islands
  • FIN.gif Finland
  • FRA.gif France
  • ISL.gif Iceland
  • ISR.gif Israel
  • LAT.gif Latvia
  • LTU.gif Lithuania
  • NED.gif Netherlands
  • NOR.gif Norway
  • POL.gif Poland
  • POR.gif Portugal
  • ROU.gif Romania
  • ESP.gif Spain
  • SWE.gif Sweden
  • SUI.gif Switzerland
Competition Format

 

July 3rd - July 4th, 2023
20 Nations, 4 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Main Round, the 3rd and 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the Intermediate Round
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July 5th - July 6th, 2023
8 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st Nations from each Group will qualify for the Final, the 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 3rd Place Match

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Intermediate Round
July 5th - July 6th, 2023
12Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st Nations from each Group will qualify for the 9th Place Match, the 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 11th Place Match, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 13th Place Match, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 15th Place Match, the 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 17th Place Match, the 5th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 19th Place Match,
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July 7th, 2023
20 Nations, Placement Matches, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match, the winning Nation will be the Men's Handball IHF Under 17 Open European Championship 2023 Champion
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Preliminary Round
July 3rd - July 4th, 2023
20 Nations, 4 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Main Round, the 3rd and 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the Intermediate Round
 
 
 



Group A
 
  • BRA.gif Brazil
  • CRO.gif Croatia
  • CZE.gif Czechia
  • FRA.gif France
  • ROU.gif Romania

Group B
 
  • EST.gif Estonia
  • ISL.gif Iceland
  • LAT.gif Latvia
  • POL.gif Poland
  • SWE.gif Sweden

Group C
 
  • BEL.gif Belgium
  • LTU.gif Lithuania
  • NOR.gif Norway
  • POR.gif Portugal
  • SUI.gif Switzerland
     
Group D
 
  • FRO.gif Faroe Islands
  • FIN.gif Finland
  • ISR.gif Israel
  • NED.gif Netherlands
  • ESP.gif Spain



 
 
Group A
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Croatia CRO.gif 23 - 21 CZE.gif Czechia
Half-Time: 15-10
July 3rd 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
France FRA.gif 25 - 18 ROU.gif Romania
Half-Time: 13-9
July 3rd 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Brazil BRA.gif 20 - 26 FRA.gif France
Half-Time: 11-11
July 3rd 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Czechia CZE.gif 26 - 14 BRA.gif Brazil
Half-Time: 13-7
July 3rd 2023, h. 18:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Romania ROU.gif 20 - 23 CRO.gif Croatia
Half-Time: 7-12
July 3rd 2023, h. 19:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Brazil BRA.gif 17 - 22 ROU.gif Romania
Half-Time: 9-13
July 4th 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
France FRA.gif 22 - 20 CRO.gif Croatia
Half-Time: 12-10
July 4th 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Romania ROU.gif 20 - 19 CZE.gif Czechia
Half-Time: 9-9
July 4th 2023, h. 14:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Croatia CRO.gif 28 - 13 BRA.gif Brazil
Half-Time: 13-7
July 4th 2023, h. 17:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Czechia CZE.gif 16 - 23 FRA.gif France
Half-Time:
July 4th 2023, h. 20:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group A Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
FRA.gif France
4
4
0
0
96
74
+22
8
CRO.gif Croatia
4
3
0
1
94
76
+18
6
ROU.gif Romania
4
2
0
2
80
84
-4
4
CZE.gif Czechia
4
1
0
3
82
80
+2
2
BRA.gif Brazil
4
0
0
4
64
102
-38
0

Group B
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Sweden SWE.gif 23 - 18 POL.gif Poland
Half-Time: 10-6
July 3rd 2023, h. 11:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Iceland ISL.gif 30 - 22 LAT.gif Latvia
Half-Time: 13-10
July 3rd 2023, h. 11:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Poland POL.gif 18 - 25 EST.gif Estonia
Half-Time: 13-11
July 3rd 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Latvia LAT.gif 18 - 29 SWE.gif Sweden
Half-Time: 8-12
July 3rd 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Estonia EST.gif 14 - 24 ISL.gif Iceland
Half-Time: 9-12
July 3rd 2023, h. 21:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Estonia EST.gif 26 - 21 LAT.gif Latvia
Half-Time: 12-9
July 4th 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Iceland ISL.gif 20 - 28 SWE.gif Sweden
Half-Time: 8-13
July 4th 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Latvia LAT.gif 23 - 21 POL.gif Poland
Half-Time: 10-10
July 4th 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Sweden SWE.gif 17 - 15 EST.gif Estonia
Half-Time: 9-8
July 4th 2023, h. 16:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Poland POL.gif 18 - 23 ISL.gif Iceland
Half-Time: 8-15
July 4th 2023, h. 19:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group B Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
SWE.gif Sweden
4
4
0
0
97
72
+26
8
ISL.gif Iceland
4
3
0
1
97
82
+15
6
EST.gif Estonia
4
2
0
2
80
80
0
4
POL.gif Poland
4
1
0
34
84
106
-22
2
LAT.gif Latvia
4
0
0
 
75
94
-19
0
 
Group C
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Norway NOR.gif 14 - 20 SUI.gif Switzerland
Half-Time: 9-11
July 3rd 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Portugal POR.gif 23 - 16 LTU.gif Lithuania
Half-Time: 10-7
July 3rd 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Switzerland SUI.gif 22 - 6 BEL.gif Belgium
Half-Time: 10-4
July 3rd 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Lithuania LTU.gif 29 - 22 NOR.gif Norway
Half-Time: 16-10
July 3rd 2023, h. 185:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Belgium BEL.gif 18 - 26 POR.gif Portugal
Half-Time: 9-14
July 3rd 2023, h. 19:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Switzerland SUI.gif 21 - 17 POR.gif Portugal
Half-Time: 11-8
July 4th 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Norway NOR.gif 24 - 21 BEL.gif Belgium
Half-Time: 12-11
July 4th 2023, h. 11:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Lithuania LTU.gif 16 - 16 SUI.gif Switzerland
Half-Time: 8-9
July 4th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Portugal POR.gif 19 - 17 NOR.gif Norway
Half-Time: 13-8
July 4th 2023, h. 17:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Belgium BEL.gif 19 - 22 LTU.gif Lithuania
Half-Time: 8-10
July 4th 2023, h. 19:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group C Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
SUI.gif Switzerland
4
3
1
0
79
53
+26
7
POR.gif Portugal
4
3
0
1
85
72
+13
6
LTU.gif Lithuania
4
2
1
1
83
80
+3
5
NOR.gif Norway
4
1
0
3
77
89
-12
2
BEL.gif Belgium
4
0
0
4
64
94
-30
0
 
Group D
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Spain ESP.gif 17 - 14 ISR.gif Israel
Half-Time: 4-6
July 3rd 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Faroe Islands FRO.gif 14 - 12 FIN.gif Finland
Half-Time: 8-3
July 3rd 2023, h. 10:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Netherlands NED.gif 18 - 24 FRO.gif Faroe Islands
Half-Time: 10-12
July 3rd 2023, h. 15:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Finland FIN.gif 12 - 23 ESP.gif Spain
Half-Time: 5-12
July 3rd 2023, h. 18:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Israel ISR.gif 20 - 11 NED.gif Netherlands
Half-Time: 8-4
July 3rd 2023, h. 21:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Finland FIN.gif 11 - 25 ISR.gif Israel
Half-Time: 6-10
July 4th 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Spain ESP.gif  NED.gif Netherlands
Half-Time:
July 4th 2023, h. 11:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Israel ISR.gif 22 - 12 FRO.gif Faroe Islands
Half-Time: 11-6
July 4th 2023, h. 14:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Netherlands NED.gif 16 - 16 FIN.gif Finland
Half-Time: 9-7
July 4th 2023, h. 16:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Faroe Islands FRO.gif 17 - 22 ESP.gif Spain
Half-Time: 10-12
July 4th 2023, h. 20:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group D Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
ESP.gif Spain
4
4
0
0
84
55
+29
8
ISR.gif Israel
4
2
1
1
76
56
+20
5
FRO.gif Faroe Islands
4
2
1
1
72
69
+3
5
NED.gif Netherlands
4
0
1
3
57
82
-25
1
FIN.gif Finland
4
0
1
3
51
78
-27
1
 
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Main Round
July 5th - July 6th, 2023
8 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st Nations from each Group will qualify for the Final, the 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 3rd Place Match



Group I
 
  • FRA.gif France
  • ISL.gif Iceland
  • ISR.gif Israel
  • SUI.gif Switzerland

Group II
 
  • CRO.gif Croatia
  • POR.gif Portugal
  • ESP.gif Spain
  • SWE.gif Sweden




 
Group I
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
France FRA.gif 26 - 20 ISL.gif Iceland
Half-Time: 11-11
July 5th 2023, h. 12:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Switzerland SUI.gif 23 - 15 ISR.gif Israel
Half-Time: 11-8
July 5th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Switzerland SUI.gif 25 - 24 ISL.gif Iceland
Half-Time: 11-10
July 5th 2023, h. 18:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Israel ISR.gif 13 - 26 FRA.gif France
Half-Time: 4-10
July 5th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Iceland ISL.gif 18 - 15 ISR.gif Israel
Half-Time: 12-9
July 6th 2023, h. 12:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
France FRA.gif 23 - 21 SUI.gif Switzerland
Half-Time: 9-11
July 6th 2023, h. 12:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group I Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
FRA.gif France
3
3
0
0
75
54
+21
6
SUI.gif Switzerland
3
2
0
1
69
62
+7
4
ISL.gif Iceland
3
1
0
2
62
66
-4
2
ISR.gif Israel
3
0
0
3
43
67
-24
0

Group II
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Portugal POR.gif 19 - 24 ESP.gif Spain
Half-Time: 9-9
July 5th 2023, h. 10:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Croatia CRO.gif 21 - 26 SWE.gif Sweden
Half-Time: 9-14
July 5th 2023, h. 11:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Spain ESP.gif 25 - 19 CRO.gif Croatia
Half-Time: 12-9
July 5th 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Portugal POR.gif 18 - 24 SWE.gif Sweden
Half-Time: 8-12
July 5th 2023, h. 17:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Croatia CRO.gif 28 - 26 POR.gif Portugal
Half-Time: 14-11
July 6th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Sweden SWE.gif 20 - 28 ESP.gif Spain
Half-Time: 11-13
July 6th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group II Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
ESP.gif Spain
3
3
0
0
77
58
+19
6
SWE.gif Sweden
3
2
0
1
70
67
+3
4
CRO.gif Croatia
3
1
0
2
68
77
-9
2
POR.gif Portugal
3
0
0
3
63
76
-13
0
 
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Intermediate Round

July 5th - July 6th, 2023
12Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st Nations from each Group will qualify for the 9th Place Match, the 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 11th Place Match, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 13th Place Match, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 15th Place Match, the 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 17th Place Match, the 5th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 19th Place Match
 
 
 



Group III
 
  • BRA.gif Brazil
  • CZE.gif Czechia
  • EST.gif Estonia
  • LAT.gif Latvia
  • POL.gif Poland
  • ROU.gif Romania

Group IV
 
  • BEL.gif Belgium
  • FRO.gif Faroe Islands
  • FIN.gif Finland
  • LTU.gif Lithuania
  • NED.gif Netherlands
  • NOR.gif Norway




 
Group III
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Czechia CZE.gif 25 - 22 LAT.gif Latvia
Half-Time: 11-11
July 5th 2023, h. 09:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Romania ROU.gif 23 - 23 EST.gif Estonia
Half-Time: 13-13
July 5th 2023, h. 09:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Latvia LAT.gif 21 - 28 ROU.gif Romania
Half-Time: 12-13
July 5th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Poland POL.gif 30 - 21 BRA.gif Brazil
Half-Time: 16-11
July 5th 2023, h. 14:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Estonia EST.gif 21 - 27 CZE.gif Czechia
Half-Time: 13-15
July 5th 2023, h. 20:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Poland POL.gif 21 - 26 CZE.gif Czechia
Half-Time: 10-9
July 6th 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Latvia LAT.gif 29 - 23 BRA.gif Brazil
Half-Time: 14-12
July 6th 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Romania ROU.gif 21 - 25 POL.gif Poland
Half-Time: 11-13
July 6th 2023, h. 10:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Brazil BRA.gif 27 - 28 EST.gif Estonia
Half-Time: 12-16
July 6th 2023, h. 10:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group III Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
CZE.gif Czechia
5
4
0
1
123
98
+25
8
ROU.gif Romania
5
3
1
1
114
105
+9
7
EST.gif Estonia
5
3
1
1
123
116
+7
7
LAT.gif Latvia
5
2
0
3
116
113
-7
4
POL.gif Poland
5
2
0
3
115
116
-1
4
BRA.gif Brazil
5
0
0
5
102
135
-33
0

Group IV
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Lithuania LTU.gif 27 - 31 FRO.gif Faroe Islands
Half-Time: 15-15
July 5th 2023, h. 09:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Norway NOR.gif 28 - 21 NED.gif Netherlands
Half-Time: 14-14
July 5th 2023, h. 10:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Netherlands NED.gif 30 - 33 LTU.gif Lithuania
Half-Time: 30-33
July 5th 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Finland FIN.gif 23 - 22 BEL.gif Belgium
Half-Time: 10-12
July 5th 2023, h. 15:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Faroe Islands FRO.gif 27 - 27 NOR.gif Norway
Half-Time: 12-16
July 5th 2023, h. 19:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Belgium BEL.gif 21 - 21 FRO.gif Faroe Islands
Half-Time: 11-13
July 6th 2023, h. 09:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Lithuania LTU.gif 28 - 24 FIN.gif Finland
Half-Time: 16-15
July 6th 2023, h. 09:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Finland FIN.gif 20 - 28 NOR.gif Norway
Half-Time: 9-11
July 6th 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Netherlands NED.gif 30 - 18 BEL.gif Belgium
Half-Time: 15-8
July 6th 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
Group IV Final Standing
 
Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
FRO.gif Faroe Islands
5
3
2
0
117
105
+12
8
LTU.gif Lithuania
5
4
0
1
139
126
+12
8
NOR.gif Norway
5
3
1
1
129
118
+11
7
FIN.gif Finland
5
1
1
3
95
108
-13
3
NED.gif Netherlands
5
1
1
3
115
119
-4
3
BEL.gif Belgium
5
0
1
4
101
120
-19
1
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Final Round
July 7th, 2023
20 Nations, Placement Matches, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match, the winning Nation will be the Men's Handball IHF Under 17 Open European Championship 2023 Champion
 
 
 


 
  • BEL.gif Belgium
  • BRA.gif Brazil
  • CRO.gif Croatia
  • CZE.gif Czechia
  • EST.gif Estonia
  • FRO.gif Faroe Islands
  • FIN.gif Finland
  • FRA.gif France
  • ISL.gif Iceland
  • ISR.gif Israel
  • LAT.gif Latvia
  • LTU.gif Lithuania
  • NED.gif Netherlands
  • NOR.gif Norway
  • POL.gif Poland
  • POR.gif Portugal
  • ROU.gif Romania
  • ESP.gif Spain
  • SWE.gif Sweden
  • SUI.gif Switzerland
 

15th-20th Places Matches
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Brazil BRA.gif 21 - 19 BEL.gif Belgium
Half-Time: 10-8
July 7th 2023, h. 08:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
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Poland POL.gif 19 - 23 FIN.gif Finland
Half-Time: 10-11
July 7th 2023, h. 09:45, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
I
Latvia LAT.gif PSO634 - 33PSO5 NED.gif Netherlands
Half-Time: 12-8, 26-26, Over Time: 28-28, Penalty Shootout: 6-5
July 7th 2023, h. 11:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg


 
9th-14th Places Matches
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Romania ROU.gif 28 - 26 LTU.gif Lithuania
Half-Time: 15-14
July 7th 2023, h. 14:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
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Czechia CZE.gif 23 - 21 FRO.gif Faroe Islands
Half-Time: 10-9
July 7th 2023, h. 13:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
I
Estonia EST.gif 28 - 25 NOR.gif Norway
Half-Time: 10-14
July 7th 2023, h. 12:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
 
 
5th-8th Places Matches
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Iceland ISL.gif PSO335 - 32PSO2 CRO.gif Croatia
Half-Time: 12-14, 30-30, Extra Time: 32-32, Penalty Shootout: 3-2
July 7th 2023, h. 16:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
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Israel ISR.gif 16 - 19 POR.gif Portugal
Half-Time: 7-8
July 7th 2023, h. 15:00, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg

 

 

Bronze Medal Match
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
Switzerland SUI.gif 28 - 31 SWE.gif Sweden
Half-Time: 12-14
July 7th 2023, h. 18:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg

 

 

Gold Medal Match
Central European Summer Time (GMT +2)
 
France FRA.gif 21 - 29 ESP.gif Spain
Half-Time: 14-18
July 7th 2023, h. 20:30, Gottenburg GO, Gottenburg
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    • Maybe it's on the normal left, mostly those "influencers" who go on tiktok and share their "amazing" life are woke gen z who often listen to media like gospel and when Rachel Maddow tells them that orange hitler won, it's time to lose their shit, shave their head and move to Canada 
    • I do not. I have no clue what part of the left you're looking at right now, but as someone who leans left I don't recognize anybody I know in what you're saying.   People are very much in wound licking and internal recrimination mode, there is no apetite to fight at the moment, and there likely won't until Trump oversteps on something (which every president inevitably does).   The mood on the left is very, very different than it was in 2016 and for some reason it doesn't seem like the right is picking up on it at all.   There is genuinely not a lot of crying is goign on this time, sorry to dissapoint. You can obviously find it if you want, bit country and whatnot, but if you're trying to get a pulse on how people on the left are feeling chasing the few people who are crying isn't going to help you.
    • I don't doubt that stupidity after 2020 fueled this, not saying people were right, for a while i was part of those people but then i stopped and thought about everything and realized that it's just dumb, Biden did win and that was that (Actually happy that it happened, based on what's about to happen)   And yes i know that people think that some senate races were "stolen" or some house races, doesn't mean that they were (kinda glad Lake lost, she's a lunatic, Arizona should get someone much better for the next governor and senate race)
    • I'm talking about how his denying the loss in 2020 fueled this. Pretty sure that you know that very well (it's just about half an hour since you replied to me saying that people on both sides claiming the other one cheated are fools)
    • There is nothing going on, i just love seeing liberal meltdowns, just funny how random people starting to election deny on the other side (which i predicted long before). You don't think that on January 6th those lunatics will try to prevent certification in congress?  
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