Men's Football FIFA World Cup 2022

[kungshamra71 948]

2 hours ago, LDOG said:

 

Yeah I thought it was very exaggerated but players often will look for anything to motivate themselves.   

Also, maybe the usual dutch bluntness is not well received or understood in some places. Here you simply don't point out weaknesses of opponent players/teams before a game. Even if it's something mild and evident like "Messi doesn't press". You are expected to always "stay humble" and only praise them or not say anything.  

 

This. I am very much used to it now and find it actually useful but using the famous "dutch directness" in Latin/Southern European countries is not recommended haha

[konig 1,554]

2 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Is it also part of the football culture to twist the words of coaches? Like with Van Gaal, who said nothing special or weird at all ("We trained a lot on penalties, so I'm confident if it gets to that" and "Messi isn't usually very present in defending, so yes, of course we have a plan, like we do for every opponent"), and this nothing special or weird or provocative or aggressive was apparently somehow turned into 'a big provocation'?  

LDOG explain well and i agree with him, so i only "expand" his concept: here the fans can make, say etc "close" to what ever they want to but is all the contrary with coachs and players: if you say something "negative" even it is totally true like Van Gaal says about Messi: you are "boqueando" (provoking), like LDOG sayed: here the players and coachs only says things like "they are a good team, with good players but we trust in us/i think we can win", here it calls "the cassette" (say all the same about all teams), imagine i was less than 10 years and i ask my father "why always the same respect even with very bad teams" and he explain me this "stricted honor football code" .

[Monzanator 4,768]

26 minutes ago, konig said:

Another european with an european rival....ok.

It's farfetched they would choose Asian or African referee for this one. Barton is a long shot for the other SF, media in Poland still claim Marciniak has a chance for that one but I don't buy it. My money is on Makkelie for France vs Morocco with a non-UEFA referee for the 3rd place playoff.

[heywoodu 16,000]

1 hour ago, konig said:

LDOG explain well and i agree with him, so i only "expand" his concept: here the fans can make, say etc "close" to what ever they want to but is all the contrary with coachs and players: if you say something "negative" even it is totally true like Van Gaal says about Messi: you are "boqueando" (provoking), like LDOG sayed: here the players and coachs only says things like "they are a good team, with good players but we trust in us/i think we can win", here it calls "the cassette" (say all the same about all teams), imagine i was less than 10 years and i ask my father "why always the same respect even with very bad teams" and he explain me this "stricted honor football code" .

Ah, I see. So in reality it's not provoking, but mostly people choose to see it that way? I guess it's also part of wanting something to 'fight' against, it's often easier (and more fun) to be playing an 'enemy', even if needing to twist meanings a bit to make the other team the enemy  

[heywoodu 16,000]

1 hour ago, kungshamra71 said:

 

This. I am very much used to it now and find it actually useful but using the famous "dutch directness" in Latin/Southern European countries is not recommended haha

There was not a lot of directness in this specific case though

 

Coach was asked if he has a plan for player X, and he simply makes an observation about player X. Not 'he is not good', or 'he is bad', just an observation about someone's playing style.

 

It's nothing more than what goalkeeper Noppert said after the match against USA, when being asked about playing Messi next: "He's great, but for me he's still just a player who's shots I have to stop." There is hardly a world imaginable where that is provocative  

 

Oh well, I guess tiptoeing around everything annoys people here, while getting to the point annoys people in other places, it is what it is and a bit of fuel to the fire of a rivalry (even if only one side sees it as fuel) is never bad in any sport. The end of this match would not have been so tense and full of passion if it was NED against, say, Sweden   

Edited December 11, 2022 by heywoodu

[heywoodu 16,000]

1 hour ago, konig said:

Another european with an european rival....ok.

What was the problem with that? The referee in NED - ARG was honestly awful, but at least he was not really favouring any specific side. He just seemed to lose control after giving a first yellow and then gave everyone and their mother yellows for whatever  

[thepharoah 2,412]

 

 

They're still searching for Harry Kane's PK 

[thepharoah 2,412]

actually i was 100 % Loris will save 1st penalty , it's just something logic that he knows very well where Harry Kane shots as they're teammates for 10 years or something and with 2nd time i was also sure that Loris will save it , maybe it was better to change Harry Kane in 2nd time with Mount for example idk 

[Vic Liu 1,691]

 

[thepharoah 2,412]

2 minutes ago, Vic Liu said:

 

 

 

I can't remember watching any black Argentine even in the Stands before