Wrestling 2019 Discussion Thread

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1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

 

Wait, what? How about "she is a patient, they are doctors and so by definition should not comment without clear approval from said patient"? 

 

typical form to protect the privacy of the patients...

that's how it works nowadays, in the age of lawyers and in the age of people who can't make their own affairs even when it would be the best thing to do...

in Italy that "privacy statement" is part of the ethic code of any doctor...he/she can't say anything to anybody (not even those of the same family) unless he has "officially recorded" permission of the patient him/herself (provided the patient is over 18 years of age, of course)...

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The Sassari tournament started in Italy today which is a part of the ranking series events, there is a good live stream in UWW website. today is the whole Greco competition, tomorrow for women and Sunday for the  freestyle.

 

the level doesn't look great in Greco, only 2-3 countries send top wrestlers like South Korea and Hungary (plus some big names from Russia and Turkey) but in general we have something like 8 wrestlers in each weight. still we had some big matches already, Kim Hyeon-woo vs Lorincz was the biggest one so far.

 

but based on reports the level will be much better for the freestyle competition. Iran also sent a not-that-bad team. we were supposed to have our own trials at 125kg here in Italy by sending all 3 big names but they changed their mind about it. Alireza Karimi is going to be our only former World Medalist in this tournament.

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Sassari finals

 

55kg: Cankaya vs Ayazci (last match of round robin)

60kg: Uyar vs Kim

63kg: Torba vs Ceker

67kg: Akhmedov vs Karakus

72kg: Kurak vs Korpasi

77kg: Kim vs Levai

82kg: Akbudak vs Gurpreet

87kg: Goktas vs Lorincz

97kg: Kakhelashvili vs Hancock

130kg: Yildrim vs Lam

 

there are some big names in the finals, but none of these finals are "super great" I think 97kg was the most interesting weight, Kakhelashvili beat Timoncini (in a probably Italian trial) and then Kajaia. Kurak/Korpasi also can be good but they wrestled once in the group round. the only mini surprise was at 67kg, Ryu Han-su lost to Karakus of Turkey. another important match was at 77kg when Kim Hyeon-woo destroyed Tamas Lorincz  8-0 !

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Sassari Greco-Roman Champions

 

55kg: Hakan Murat Cankaya

60kg: Kim Seung Hak

63kg: Mehmet Ceker

67kg: Azamat Akhmedov

72kg: Adam Kurak

77kg: Kim Hyeon Woo

82kg: Gurpreet Singh

87kg: Viktor Lorincz

97kg: Nikoloz Kakhelashvili

130kg: Osman Yildrim

 

not a great finals session for HUN...they lost all the gold medal matches they entered but one (also TUR lost more matches than they won)...

 

for what concerns Italy, I think the -97kg class spot would go to Timoncini in any case, as Kakhelashvili is in the same situation of Conyedo and Kudiiamagomedov* (they still don't have the Italian passport, so they can't take part in the Olympic Qualification tournaments nor in the upcoming European Games in Minsk)...

 

*and finally I found some (very short) news about Kudiiamagomedov...he suffered a bad knee injury in training last summer and he's still recovering from that (of course he had a very delicate operation to fix the damages)...

this is the reason why we haven't seen him at the last world champs nor in the ranking series tournaments this year)...

nothing has been said about how long he still has to wait before coming back (and, more bad news, nobody has any idea about how long it would take for him, Conyedo and Kakhelashvili to get our passport...probably it won't happen in the entire 2019 )...

Edited May 24, 2019 by phelps

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Nice to see an Indian among champions in Greco-Roman. Even if competition is not A level, it means a lot for Indian Greco wrestlers. 

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5 hours ago, phelps said:

for what concerns Italy, I think the -97kg class spot would go to Timoncini in any case, as Kakhelashvili is in the same situation of Conyedo and Kudiiamagomedov* (they still don't have the Italian passport, so they can't take part in the Olympic Qualification tournaments nor in the upcoming European Games in Minsk)...

 

 

then how come they wrestled in World and European Championships before ?! you don't need a passport to represent a country in a World Championship then ? that's unbelievable.

 

so they could wrestle in 2018 WCh but they can't wrestle at the 2019 WCh because this one is an Olympic qualifier ?! sounds stupid to me.

 

btw Kudiamagomedov can be easily a medal favorite at 86kg. this is not a tough weight. 2 wrestlers are head and shoulder above the rest and whoever Russia sends will be #3. the 4th medal spot is up for grab and we know there is always that possibility these top wrestlers falling in the same side of the draw as it happened in 2018 WCh.

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1 hour ago, MHSN said:

 

then how come they wrestled in World and European Championships before ?! you don't need a passport to represent a country in a World Championship then ? that's unbelievable.

 

so they could wrestle in 2018 WCh but they can't wrestle at the 2019 WCh because this one is an Olympic qualifier ?! sounds stupid to me.

 

btw Kudiamagomedov can be easily a medal favorite at 86kg. this is not a tough weight. 2 wrestlers are head and shoulder above the rest and whoever Russia sends will be #3. the 4th medal spot is up for grab and we know there is always that possibility these top wrestlers falling in the same side of the draw as it happened in 2018 WCh.

 

yes, since last year wrestlers can start in every UWW tournament even if they have not completed the burocratic issues to get the new citizenship...it's enough to be under contract with a club team of the federation you want to represent (I think Pavlo Olynik in HUN is in the same situation...he wrestled for them last year, but this time he could be out of contention as he's not fully compliant with the IOC rules, which you know are a lot stricter than those of most International Federations)...

 

of course, as the Olympics are managed by the IOC, they follow different rules, also for the qualification events...

 

meanwhile I don't know why the European Games are using the same rules of the IOC...I only read that on an Italian sport website...

 

tbh, I think this time the IOC are right and the International Federation should stop this practice of allowing people without the full citizenship to compete for Countries they are not members of, yet...

but you know, it looks that nowadays the world is going into another direction...and the sports governing bodies can't ignore that...

Edited May 24, 2019 by phelps

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Sassari Women's Wrestling Champions

 

50kg: Seema Seema
53kg: Ekaterina Poleshchuk
55kg: Sofia Magdalena Mattson
57kg: Grace Jacob Bullen
59kg: Linda Morais
62kg: Henna Katarina Johansson
65kg: Gabriella Sleisz
68kg: Tamyra Mariama Mensah
72kg: Anna Jenny Eva Maria Fransson
76kg: Erica Elizabeth Wiebe

 

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Sassari freestyle finals

 

57kg: Capellan vs Tuskaev

61kg: Yakhkeshi vs Kaliyev

65kg: Idrisov vs Gongane

70kg: Koliev vs Kaipanov

74kg: Chamizo vs Kaisanov

79kg: Usserbayev vs Aminov

86kg: Bazri vs Dauletbekov

92kg: Tsakulov vs Karimi

97kg: Foroutan vs Talebi

125kg: Krivtsov vs Ligeti

 

The level wasn't good at all, I was expecting more. only Kazakhstan was here with all of their best wrestlers.  the only "interesting" match was Chamizo-Tsabalov in semifinal. while Tsabolov dominated the match but Chamizo only needed one minute to come back and win the match 5-4.

 

as for the Iranian wrestlers, this is mostly our 2nd and 3rd wrestlers in each weight, (plus 1 or 2 #1 wrestlers in non Olympic weights) they only got good results we already have better wrestlers at home. 65kg, 70kg, 74 and 57 are still VERY weak. even though 2 or 3 of them got hurt by extremely bad/stupid officiating but still that was mostly their own fault. still that wasn't a bad idea to try some 18 years old wrestlers here, but I don't know how they gave another chance to Hajiaghania, this guy is the worst wrestler I ever seen    Emami and Hajaghania managed to lose to someone much much weaker than themselves !!

 

Foroutan and Talebi both made it to 97kg final, Talebi had a good win over world bronze medalist Conyedo but then his semifinal against Kazakhstan was disappointing. Foroutan also was just a shadow of himself he was destroying everybody last year when he won the World Juniors title. we will seen which one of them is better later today but I think Reza Yazdani should be our representative this year.

 

in short if I had to pick our world team only Alireza Karimi from this team could be in my list. Bazri was OK here but obviously he has no chance against Yazdani and Ghasempour.

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2018 World Champion David Taylor is going to miss the World Championships later this year in Kazakhstan ! he got injured in a show event they held every year in streets of New York and he will be out for a while. but he announced it officially that he will be out for this year.

 

this means our Hassan Yazdani now has something like 80% to win the gold medal in Astana (aka Nur-Sultan ) but not really a good news for him. because even if he wins the gold, people will always taunt him by saying "only because Taylor wasn't there" he is now 0-2 against Taylor and I'm sure he was looking forward for that matchup. it has to wait for the Olympics in Tokyo.