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@Gianlu33 You can find results per town here: http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/verkiezingen The total results will be on that page, if you click on 'Per gemeente' you can choose the towns and cities and see the exact number of votes. 'Nulstand' means there's no result yet, 'Eindstand' means it's the final result for that town/city.

I have read both "High turnout can help Wilders" and "high turnout can help the smaller parties".. No matter if Wilders would win or not, having a turnout of well above 80% is very good news. And I'm still looking for a good site with results as well It has started btw, the first 2 small towns (islands actually) have sent in their results, but of course 2000-3000 people mean nothing for the overall result.

True. They managed to get this together in a matter of a few months though, since they broke lose from the usually biggest left party

Second (and last) exit polls have the same result. Of course that's nothing official but it looks highly unlikely that VVD will lose, the tension and excitement is already over

3 seats for DENK (the Turkish party) is very worrying though. That means we'll have a party in the Dutch parliament who puts the interest of a foreign nation above the interests of the country in which parliament they are. It's so clear even when looking at their programme: they want to pretty much kill the Dutch army and things like that, it's just too obvious that they want to make the country weaker against Turkey..

Well there's really no difference in finishing 2nd or 4th

There's another exit poll coming at 21.30, which includes the last half hour of voting as well (voting closed at 21.00). After that, the next stop is 23.30 when the biggest Dutch news agency comes up with their preliminary results.

First exit polls: Meaning significantly less seats for Wilders than he had in polls in recent months, that's a good start to the evening

You can select your polling station but just partially. I mean, you can choose any station you want in the place you live. As for my small town, there are I believe almost 10 places I could choose from. It's possible to vote in another place than where you live, but you have to get some sort of document for that I guess. Not a lot of work as far as I know though

Analyzing isn't dangerous, seeing predictions almost as 'facts' is I've done my duty and voted. Always nice to revisit the school I went to when I was I think between 5 and 8 years old (something like that), which is one of the polling stations here and the one I always go to for old time's sake

They're not a big fan of it, but they mostly accept that people should make their own choices on that and the government shouldn't say whether or not they can marry

Well, Wilders is still around 9th-11th place on my 'ranking' after spending half the morning and the past hours thinking about who to vote for, so I'm still not voting for him My doubts are between CDA (a Christian party but not so 'strict' as the two others, slightly right of the centre) and VVD (the party of the current prime minister and also slightly right of the centre). I'm probably going for CDA, because unlike the two other Christian parties, they're not so strongly opposed to basic human freedoms like gay marriage. They're somewhat against euthanasia, which is a shame, but they also accept to keep the current laws (which make it possible and legal), so that's alright

I watched the big final debates last night, and sadly Wilders was the only one with actually a bit of a 'good' debate (making his points instead of just denying all questions). Which is annoying, because I really don't want to vote for him All others just seemed weak...apart from one of the Christian parties, so I'm thinking about voting on them

Just seeing Donald Tusk talking in Dutch at the European Parliament (about the Turkey-thing, stating his support for the Netherlands), cool

Maybe, they're the only one who have a clue about the current digital world

Nah, I want to listen to something neutral instead of 'campaign language'

Meanwhile I'm still not certain who to vote for and there's not a whole lot more than 24 hours left... I'm still hoping the wisdom comes to me when I need it

Morihiro Hashimoto has died aged 40 yesterday

This mostly. Turkish-Dutch people were called upon to have some sort of mass demonstration when their ministers would be here and people expected that to give safety issues, not very unrealistic given the history of these kind of events. I didn't follow everything that well so apparently I missed somewhat of a key issue: the Dutch and Turkish governments were in discussion about how to solve this problem when Erdogan all of a sudden started threatening with sanctions and things like that. That's what made the Dutch government say "yeah, if you're going to go this way, we're not gonna help you out here". They specifically said that simply giving some small speeches wasn't even a problem, the problem was when there would be good reason to believe things would get out of hand with demonstrations and stuff. The only real negative thing is that this whole thing might lead to a few more people voting on Geert Wilders tomorrow, but I doubt it'll make a huge difference.

To keep it as neutral as possible: There's a big referendum coming up in Turkey next month, effectively giving Erdogan even more power if some law or change or something is approved via that referendum. Obviously he wants everyone to vote yes, so he's sending his ministers all over Europe (well, countries like the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, you know, where a lot of Turkish people can be found) to campaign for the 'Yes' camp. I believe Switzerland is allowing it, but Germany started refusing some ministers and now the Netherlands is doing the same. Saturday one of them was supposed to hold a public speech near the Turkish consulate, but in the days leading up to that, Dutch politicians (including the minister of Foreign Affairs) were making it more and more clear they did not want them to do that here. Then on the day she arrived, they didn't give her plane permission to land and she had to drive via Germany. In Rotterdam, her convoy was stopped and she wasn't allowed to go to the place where she'd have her speech. This whole thing eventually resulted in a couple hundreds of Turkish people living in the Netherlands gathering near the consulate, protesting and stuff. Apart from some small unrest, luckily it didn't turn as violent as one could have expected, so that's good. The Turkish minister of course was angry ("you're breaking all laws!"), Wilders of course was as happy as a child in a candy store ("Leave this country and bring all those fans of yours with you!") and Erdogan called the Netherlands 'remnants of the nazis' or something similar and is now promising sanctions and everything (which nobody here really cares about...at all. These sanctions would have just as much effect as when I tell you that if you don't listen to me, you won't be allowed to watch the Dutch high school bog snorkling championships). I'm sure I forgot some things but to the best of my limited knowledge when it comes to politics, this is about it

After which they went on to 'kill' oranges. Because, well, orange.

So, there's Turkish people going onto the streets, after their Great Leader Erdogan called the Netherlands 'nazis' and the few things they manage to get out of their mouths include words like 'kankerjoden' which, freely translated, means something like 'cancer jews'. Now I'm confused, are we nazis or are we 'cancer jews'? I doubt they know there's sort of a difference between the two historically speaking

Well yeah, Kim Jong-un won a democratic election as well..

Which is a copy of my point 1 The paradox is that it's about giving freedom of speech to someone who hates freedom of speech.