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Very hard to understand how the quota were reallocated.
It seems they had 8 for men and 5 for women (+6 from individual) so 19.
BUT they had rules to reallocate
Chapter F. Reallocation of Unused Quota Places.
the quota place will be reallocated in the respective gender, as follows:
- If the NOC qualified through the 2014 and 2015 IWF World Championships, the quota place will be reallocated to the best ranked NOC at the 2014 and 2015 IWF World Championships, not yet qualified.
- If the NOC qualified through the Continental Qualification Event, the quota place will be reallocated to the next best ranked NOC at the respective event, not yet qualified.
- If the athlete qualified through the Individual Qualification, the quota place will be reallocated to the next best ranked athlete on the Olympic Qualification Ranking List of 20 June 2016 whose NOC has not yet qualified a quota place. In case of a tie, the NOC which participated in the highest number of qualification events will get the quota place.
And they did not seem to follow this at all.
If understand then the first reallocation for men should have gone through WC to Japan, Turkey , USA .. wich would have forced recalculation of continental qualification.
Only at the end of the procedure individual qualification should be looked at as it is for non qualified teams.
I thought Venezuela would qualify through continentals like this instead of individual
So I don't understand what they decided...
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2 hours ago, Near said:
Big dopping related news that affects qualification. The IWF has updated the list of countries with quitas removed:
- Azerbaijan - 1 m / 1 w
- Belarus - 1 m
- Kazakhastan - 1 m / 1 w
- Moldova - 2 m
- North Korea - 1 m / 1 w
- Romanian- 1 m
- Russia - 1 m / 1 w
- Uzbekistan - 1 w
Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia all face a one year suspention of all the re-tests from 2008 and 2012 are confirmed, so they might miss the Olympics entirely like Bulgaria.
I would say the complete ban for Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia will enter after Rio. If it is before Rio the removed quota would be useless for these countries?
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1 hour ago, dcro said:
May the reallocations start! 13 quotas up for grabs.All countries that lost quota were qualified through the World championships so there will be 1 place realocated per country that did not qualify in the Worlds.
So for men this means these countries will get 1 quotum at Worlds:
JPN TUR USA KSA HUN VEN LTU TKM
therefore the whole continental qualification should be recalculated!
Any volunteers :-) ?
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15 hours ago, dcro said:
Shouldn't also Azerbaijan be on this list?
Yes also Azerbaijan.
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9 hours ago, Dragon said:
I think Russia just lost a quota place because of Lovchev being banned.
4th Russian to be banned since qualification period began.
???
4th? 8th
By the way, also Moldavia, Kazhakstan, and North Korea could have more than 6 positive cases (so -2 quota places)
Belarussia and Uzbekistan risk -1 because of 4 or 5 positive cases.
Nothing official yet. It will only be decided in june, so at that moment , the team qualifications can change a lot.
It might be that countries that got a qualification in the continental championships already have a quotum from the world championships by redistribution.
So it will also give a different calculation for the continental qualification.
And in the end all the individual qualifications are also influenced by the team qualifications.
So it seems a lot can change....
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On 5/10/2016 at 14:48, heywoodu said:
It's Africa, don't trust the documents and never give up hope someone suddenly magically appears for some lifts
That would be against IWF rules.
If you are not on the list you are not allowed to compete, so I don't believe this can happen
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On 4/30/2016 at 19:56, uk12points said:16 hours ago, dcro said:
Well, those quotas that were taken away from Romania should be reallocated (that's what Wiki states too). I'm not sure if it will be through rankings, but it should be reallocated somehow (though rankings seem likely). Anyway, in the end we should have 156 male and 104 female lifters.
I was referring to the fact that you said that Finland already had a male team qualification so a Finnish girl would not be able to get a quotum individually through reallocation. That is not true.
IWF will indeed take 1 quotum away from Romania but IWF will decide if they give it to male or female team.
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On 4/30/2016 at 19:56, uk12points said:
Ranking Reallocation situation:
Men's:
Current - 0 reallocated quota
Potentially - 1 reallocated quota
MUSHYK Anatoliy - 17th (-94kg)* ranked above Austria because Israel have competed at more qualification events
MARTIROSJAN Sargis - 17th (-105kg)
ALKIKLI Ali Miftah - 17th (-85kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at African Champs]
LA O GARCIA Addriel - 18th (-77kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
Women's:
Current - 2 reallocated quota
Potentially - 6 reallocated quota
ONLY NATIONS WITH NO QUALIFIED ATHLETES IN ANY GENDER CAN QUALIFY
VALDES PARIS Maria Fernanda - 14th (-75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
RANAIVOSOA Marie Hanitra Roilya - 14th (-48kg)
TOUA Loa Dika - 15th (-53kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
KASIRYE Ruth Nanozzi - 16th (-69kg)
ANANIADOU Eftychia - 18th (+75kg) [Currently ranked 15th in Men's -85kg so he will likely qualify an individual quota]
AGRICOLE Clementina Ciana - 21st (-58kg)
LAMBRECHS Tracey - 21st (+75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
THOREN Carita Angelica - 22nd (-69kg)
ACASON Deborah Esther Ainslie - 22nd (+75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
BURGOS ORTIZ Lely Berlitt - 24th (-48kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
RODRIGUEZ MITJAN Marina De La Caridad - 25th (-63kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
FATTOUH Mahassen Hala - 27th (-63kg)
VANBELLINGHEN Anna Marie-J A M - 27th (+75kg)
PETERS Luisa Fatiaki Taitapu - 28th (+75kg) [May qualify via tripartite wild card]
WINI Jenly Tegu - 31st (-58kg) [May qualify via tripartite wild card or Oceania Champs]
YU Weili - 31st (-53kg)
MURCIA VARGAS Genesis Nohemy - 34th (-48kg)
VAIVAI Apolonia - 34th (+75kg) [May qualify via Oceania Champs]
NIEVAS Sasha Belen Beatriz or MARTINEZ Maria Belen - 35th (-58kg/-69kg) [May qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
On 4/16/2016 at 18:57, Bearas said:Men's Individual Qualification standings after European Championships
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3rd
-94kg
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4th
-56kg
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5th
-105kg
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6th
+105kg
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6th
-62kg (likely to qualify via Asian championships)
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10th
-69kg
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10th
-56kg(likely to qualify via Asian championships)
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11th
-69kg(likely to qualify via Asian championships)
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14th
-56kg
TKM and KSA both tested positive at the world championships so not very likely to be qualified ;-)
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On 4/30/2016 at 19:56, uk12points said:
Ranking Reallocation situation:
Men's:
Current - 0 reallocated quota
Potentially - 1 reallocated quota
MUSHYK Anatoliy - 17th (-94kg)* ranked above Austria because Israel have competed at more qualification events
MARTIROSJAN Sargis - 17th (-105kg)
ALKIKLI Ali Miftah - 17th (-85kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at African Champs]
LA O GARCIA Addriel - 18th (-77kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
Women's:
Current - 2 reallocated quota
Potentially - 6 reallocated quota
ONLY NATIONS WITH NO QUALIFIED ATHLETES IN ANY GENDER CAN QUALIFY
VALDES PARIS Maria Fernanda - 14th (-75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
RANAIVOSOA Marie Hanitra Roilya - 14th (-48kg)
TOUA Loa Dika - 15th (-53kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
KASIRYE Ruth Nanozzi - 16th (-69kg)
ANANIADOU Eftychia - 18th (+75kg) [Currently ranked 15th in Men's -85kg so he will likely qualify an individual quota]
AGRICOLE Clementina Ciana - 21st (-58kg)
LAMBRECHS Tracey - 21st (+75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
THOREN Carita Angelica - 22nd (-69kg)
ACASON Deborah Esther Ainslie - 22nd (+75kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at Oceania Champs]
BURGOS ORTIZ Lely Berlitt - 24th (-48kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
RODRIGUEZ MITJAN Marina De La Caridad - 25th (-63kg) [Will probably qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
FATTOUH Mahassen Hala - 27th (-63kg)
VANBELLINGHEN Anna Marie-J A M - 27th (+75kg)
PETERS Luisa Fatiaki Taitapu - 28th (+75kg) [May qualify via tripartite wild card]
WINI Jenly Tegu - 31st (-58kg) [May qualify via tripartite wild card or Oceania Champs]
YU Weili - 31st (-53kg)
MURCIA VARGAS Genesis Nohemy - 34th (-48kg)
VAIVAI Apolonia - 34th (+75kg) [May qualify via Oceania Champs]
NIEVAS Sasha Belen Beatriz or MARTINEZ Maria Belen - 35th (-58kg/-69kg) [May qualify a quota in either gender at PanAmerican Champs]
This is based on the IWF website's Olympic ranking, but don't forget that these rankings still contain results from athletes that tested positive. If confirmed they will be out of these lists.
ONLY NATIONS WITH NO QUALIFIED ATHLETES CAN QUALIFY but this is for male and female seperated!
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On 4/30/2016 at 21:13, dcro said:
The quotas that were taken from Romania will also be reallocated. So, one more for both genders.
Btw,
already qualified in men's, so they can't get women's quota.
Sorry guys, but where did you read this rule?
individual qualification is completely seperated female/male
The reallocation rule is " the quota place will be reallocated in the respective gender ..to the next best ranked athlete.. whose NOC has not yet qualified a quota place"
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On 4/30/2016 at 21:31, MHSN said:
And they will take more quotas from other countries, Russia, Kazakhstan, Moldova etc. after finalizing 2015 cases. at least that's what they have to do per their rules but of course IWF is not among the clean sport federations. actually one of the dirtiest.
btw Azerbaijan has to give up one quota for the same reason, so if only Kostova qualifies , they have to give up her spot per rules ?! right ?!
No , because IWF decides if they take the quota from male or female field. It is not stipulated how they will take the decision, but it is very unlikely that they will take "her" spot away I think
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On 5/2/2016 at 15:16, Dragon said:
We now have another complication. 2 Poles have failed drug tests for growth hormone, This could means they will lose a quota place,
Samoraj will probably lose 6th place from the European championships.
No, this was a national anti-doping test, thus not entering the IWF doping statistics
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Well, I know that they decided to do it this way, but there was a clear rule how to do the reallocation, so I don't understand why.
The rules even mentioned literally that the reallocation of quota because of doping also follows reallocation procedure F.
So it has nothing to do with unexpected issue of doping