[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[konig 1,510]

  On 11/29/2023 at 2:08 PM, ManuCHIL said:

completely right, but sorry...it's not acceptable that just because the past goverment was awful, the new one can be just as awful ...it's just not right

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He will start in the 10 of December, we can talk about his goverment since then, he has a "titanic task".

 

[konig 1,510]

  On 11/30/2023 at 2:39 AM, Olympian1010 said:

 will hold a referendum this week on whether a majority of  territory should be considered Venezuelan. It all stems for a territorial dispute going back to 1899 apparently. 
 

Here’s a good overview of the situation: https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-guyana-essequibo-territory-dispute-maduro-referendum-d3e65757ca8da2355994ec8a44c148ba

 

is also militarizing their Northern border as a consequence:  https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-increases-northern-border-military-presence-amid-venezuela-guyana-spat-2023-11-29/

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Without oil, this wont happen......for his good, Maduro should see what happen with Saddam Hussein when he invaded kuwait.

[George_D 1,206]

  On 11/30/2023 at 2:39 AM, Olympian1010 said:

 will hold a referendum this week on whether a majority of  territory should be considered Venezuelan. It all stems for a territorial dispute going back to 1899 apparently. 
 

Here’s a good overview of the situation: https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-guyana-essequibo-territory-dispute-maduro-referendum-d3e65757ca8da2355994ec8a44c148ba

 

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And suppose it is approved then  is going to launch an attack to  ?

[Olympian1010 8,074]

  On 11/30/2023 at 3:14 AM, George_D said:

And suppose it is approved then  is going to launch an attack to  ?

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No idea. I don’t feel like the world really needs another geopolitical conflict at the moment though  

[heywoodu 15,353]

  On 11/30/2023 at 5:27 AM, Olympian1010 said:

No idea. I don’t feel like the world really needs another geopolitical conflict at the moment though  

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Honestly I doubt Venezuela would actually attack. Is anyone anywhere in the region going to accept that? Venezuela might beat tiny Guyana and take most of their terrority if there was no help in any way at all, but I doubt they stand a chance against basically any other power in the area.

 

Besides, several significantly stronger countries than Venezuela have some influence in the wide area and likely won't exactly want a war close to them. Seems like just your typical thing to deflect attention from how bad the government is doing.

 

That link you posted about Brazil increasing it's military presence in the northern border says a lot though. Specifically, the photo says a lot:

 

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Members of the National Bolivarian Armed Forces of Venezuela organize the people who participate in an electoral simulation before the referendum on December 3 over Venezuela's rights to the potentially oil-rich region of Esequiba in Guyana, in Caracas, Venezuela November 19

 

If actual armed forces are around and this openly involved in elections/referendums, you know it's just another scam election/referendum, Russia-on-Ukrainian-territory-style.

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[LDOG 2,428]

  On 11/30/2023 at 7:20 AM, heywoodu said:

Honestly I doubt Venezuela would actually attack. Is anyone anywhere in the region going to accept that? Venezuela might beat tiny Guyana and take most of their terrority if there was no help in any way at all, but I doubt they stand a chance against basically any other power in the area.

 

Besides, several significantly stronger countries than Venezuela have some influence in the wide area and likely won't exactly want a war close to them. Seems like just your typical thing to deflect attention from how bad the government is doing.

 

That link you posted about Brazil increasing it's military presence in the northern border says a lot though. Specifically, the photo says a lot:

 

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Members of the National Bolivarian Armed Forces of Venezuela organize the people who participate in an electoral simulation before the referendum on December 3 over Venezuela's rights to the potentially oil-rich region of Esequiba in Guyana, in Caracas, Venezuela November 19

 

If actual armed forces are around and this openly involved in elections/referendums, you know it's just another scam election/referendum, Russia-on-Ukrainian-territory-style.

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If some third party were to intervene (militarily speaking) it would only be USA, nobody else is interested in this conflict as longs as it doesn't go beyond the region in question (Esequibo).

 

[bestmen 2,831]

Why france has a part of land there ,they are not south american 

[ManuCHIL 155]

  On 11/30/2023 at 2:46 AM, konig said:

He will start in the 10 of December, we can talk about his government since then, he has a "titanic task".

 

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The inexperience that they have shown in the last days can't be ignore, I hope for the best to Milei's period, but they have some sign that can't be accepted

- The work secretary is the wife of a high personnel of Pinochet's dictatorship

- The human resources minister (I don't know how to name it in English) has got ZERO experience, with an online degree. 

- Macri's personnel are all over the ministers, that can't be right, specially if Caputto is the minister of economy.

 

I could continue. Again, I do really want that milei's government will be successful, but they have being really bad until now, and it's only the transition period. 

[konig 1,510]

  On 11/30/2023 at 6:56 PM, ManuCHIL said:

The inexperience that they have shown in the last days can't be ignore, I hope for the best to Milei's period, but they have some sign that can't be accepted

- The work secretary is the wife of a high personnel of Pinochet's dictatorship

- The human resources minister (I don't know how to name it in English) has got ZERO experience, with an online degree. 

- Macri's personnel are all over the ministers, that can't be right, specially if Caputto is the minister of economy.

 

I could continue. Again, I do really want that milei's government will be successful, but they have being really bad until now, and it's only the transition period. 

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Caputto or is his "Erman Gonzalez" economy minister (a minister who make all the "polemic desicions and quit after that) or he is only for deactivate the leliqs with credits using his lobby with CIF and anothers players, i dont see him too much time after that.

We have a lot of minister with zero experience in the past, is nothing to be worried in Argentina, imgine our current "chif of staff" was a librarian and nothing more.

Is the wife, not the husband, we had a lot of "ex guerrilla" members with homicides in their past like ministers,im not afraid at all with this old lady.

[bestmen 2,831]

There is a large difference , hostages of hamas have been treated like humans .....while palestinians hostages have been treated like dogs : they put 10 in a prison of 3 meters , no food no water no toilet +torture