[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Grassmarket 3,409]

1 hour ago, NearPup said:

Scandinavia isn’t a good example of socialism working because none of the Scandinavian countries are socialist...

Yeah, but Americans don’t know that.  It just sounds better to say “We want Swedish-style socialism” than it does to say the truth which is “We want Chinese-style Socialism.”

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4 minutes ago, Grassmarket said:

Yeah, but Americans don’t know that.  It just sounds better to say “We want Swedish-style socialism” than it does to say the truth which is “We want Chinese-style Socialism.”

Yeah, I don’t know many, if any, Americans who want that. 

[Monzanator 4,503]

Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world.

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12 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world.

I guess we didn’t fight in WW1 then  (Monroe Doctrine ended with Woodrow Wilson when he got us involved in World War 1, and established the League of Nations)

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Just now, Olympian1010 said:

I guess we didn’t fight in WW1 then  (Monroe Doctrine ended with Woodrow Wilson when he got us involved in World War 1, and established the League of Nations)

Yeah, I know Monroe Doctrine was revoked by Wilson but after 1929 and Great Depression USA was getting isolationism vibes again.

 

93% Americans opposed entering WWII as late as May 1940. Those are facts.

 

https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/main/us-public-opinion-about-entering-world-war-ii-1940

 

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18 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

Sweden is a country that hasn't had any mass protests for like 100 years, never takes part in any wars since Napoleon was fricking alive - it's like a totally opposite country to USA who has mass riots every 5 years and gets involved in every single God damn war since the isolationism policy ended with FD Roosevelt. Yet US liberals bring up Sweden as the golden utopia that should be followed No wonder US society is considered dumb by rest of the world.

This argument is so confusing. “Sweden is great because they have social stability, and haven’t fought in many recent wars. As where the United States lacks social stability, and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as an example, and they’re dumb for that.”

 

So, you’re arguing that Sweden isn’t the better or the two, and that the US shouldn’t attempt to learn from their example?

[Monzanator 4,503]

2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

This argument is so confusing. “Sweden is great because they have social stability, and haven’t fought in many recent wars. As where the United States lacks social stability, and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as an example, and they’re dumb for that.”

 

So, you’re arguing that Sweden isn’t the better or the two, and that the US shouldn’t attempt to learn from their example?

USA is always the teacher on the global scale, they tell everyone else what to do. They never listen

 

If you want to learn something then Vietnam War fiasco and Islamic Revolution in Iran should be more than enough to learn a thing or two already?

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Just now, Monzanator said:

USA is always the teacher on the global scale, they tell everyone else what to do. They never listen

That literally explains nothing about your original argument, and doesn’t answer my question about your argument!

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Just now, Olympian1010 said:

That literally explains nothing about your original argument, and doesn’t answer my question about your argument!

 

My argument is clear, Sweden isn't any example why USA should be a sociallist democracy to begin with for the reasons I stated above. Hence there is nothing to learn, period.

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13 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

My argument is clear, Sweden isn't any example why USA should be a sociallist democracy to begin with for the reasons I stated above. Hence there is nothing to learn, period.

Okay, so just so I can be clear what your argument is, you said: Sweden has social stability and hasn’t fought in many modern wars. The US lacks social stability and has fought in basically every modern war. Americans look up to Sweden as a model of a better society. Americans are dumb for doing so.”

 

So your argument is: Sweden has better social stability and is more peaceful than the US, and Americans are dumb for wanting to follow their example, even though the US lacks social stability and struggles to stay out of conflicts.

 

I don’t understand why Americans shouldn’t want our society to be more like Sweden’s then, if they have better social stability and stay out of more conflicts? It seems like Americans should want to be more like Sweden given those two points.