Nordic Combined 2017 - 2018 Discussion Thread

[heywoodu 15,355]

  On 1/30/2018 at 5:15 PM, dcro said:

 

It's the same as with ski jumping - no difference.

 

But, as I said before, winter program has no events so it's completely normal to have multiple almost same events...

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In ski jumping "no difference" is not entirely correct, there definitely are specialists (although of course not as big of a difference as, say, the slalom vs downhill in alpine skiing). The 'flyers' have a better chance on the large hill, but since there are no 'flyers' in NC, I guess there isn't that much difference indeed. 

[phelps 7,862]

yes, there's a difference connected to the individual characterstics of the jumpers...

it's the same difference that there is in special ski jumping...

there are athletes who rely mainly on their power at the moment of the jump (who normally are more effective on the small hills) and others who are more sensitive, with a lighter physical build, who normally are more effective on the larger hills (sometimes they are real ski flying specialists, with enormous gap in their performance between smaller and larger hills)...

at the moment, for instance, in the Nordic Combined field we have someone like Pittin, who normally is an awful jumper, who however has a marginal chance to find a decent jump on the small hill, but he doesn't have any chance on the large one...

among the best specialists, we have someone like Riiber, who's a true jumper momentarily competing in the wrong discipline, who obviously has a lot better chances to make the difference on the large hill than on the small one...

a not so good jumper like Klapfer, insisting on "power jumping", instead, has a lot better chances on the small hill...

then, of course, the most important factor in NC (as it is in SJ) remains the wind strenght and direction...if you're unlucky with that, you're out of the top positions always and forever...

but in ideal conditions, there's a difference between the 2 kinds of hills, which can affect many athletes more than normal people might think...

Edited January 30, 2018 by phelps

[NearPup 3,251]

The FIS announced that women's nordic combined would be part of the Nordic Skiing world championships from 2021, which essentially guarantees women's Nordic Combined will be in the Olympics by 2026.

Edited May 19, 2018 by NearPup

[heywoodu 15,355]

  On 5/19/2018 at 3:53 AM, Nate River said:

The FIS announced that women's nordic combined would be part of the Nordic Skiing world championships from 2021, which essentially guarantees women's Nordic Combined will be in the Olympics by 2026.

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Wow, a decision that actually makes at least a bit of sense 

 

I was convinced they were gonna add it to the 2022 Olympics without it even having been a 1% established event, but at least 2026 gives it eight years to develop into...something. 

[NearPup 3,251]

  On 5/19/2018 at 6:24 AM, heywoodu said:

 

Wow, a decision that actually makes at least a bit of sense 

 

I was convinced they were gonna add it to the 2022 Olympics without it even having been a 1% established event, but at least 2026 gives it eight years to develop into...something. 

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Oh, no, they are trying to get it in for the 2022 Olympics (and it isn't even the only event making it's debut at the 2021 Worlds that they are trying to get into the 2022 Olympics *cough* parallel slalom *cough*). It's just that since they are adding it to Worlds for 2021 it basically guarantees inclusion in 2026.