mpjmcevoy 236 Posted April 20 #81 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Dragon said: Yes, we haven't had a good Chinese swimming doping story since the team were caught smuggling growth hormone into Australia at the 1998 World Championships. Hmmm. There's no doubt that there are going to be issues in China, It's too big, and the state is too authoritarian not to suspect, but they seem to have a strange attitude - once they get called/warned/suspected on it, they seem to back off in a way that Russia, to put it gently, do not. For that reason I sometimes think these sort of stories are like a 'shot across the bows', warning China to knock it back if it is felt they are ramping up the dodgy - the mind goes back to Ma's army, Sun Yang (who, despite the warnings, f***ed around and found out), Ye Shewin etc. For the past 12 months, Chinese swimmers have been absolutely pulling up trees in the pool. One entirely hopes its on the up and up, but this does seem, possibly, like a pre-Paris warning, right around trials. Time, I suppose will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGB 79 Posted April 20 #82 Share Posted April 20 6 minutes ago, mpjmcevoy said: Hmmm. There's no doubt that there are going to be issues in China, It's too big, and the state is too authoritarian not to suspect, but they seem to have a strange attitude - once they get called/warned/suspected on it, they seem to back off in a way that Russia, to put it gently, do not. For that reason I sometimes think these sort of stories are like a 'shot across the bows', warning China to knock it back if it is felt they are ramping up the dodgy - the mind goes back to Ma's army, Sun Yang (who, despite the warnings, f***ed around and found out), Ye Shewin etc. For the past 12 months, Chinese swimmers have been absolutely pulling up trees in the pool. One entirely hopes its on the up and up, but this does seem, possibly, like a pre-Paris warning, right around trials. Time, I suppose will tell. The think that frustrates me the most is that is has been swept under the rug for so long. I'm sure that many of the Chinese swimmers are clean, and the progression shown by Chinese swimming/swimmers is not improbable, but now that this has happened the perception of many swimmers may have been tarnished (unfairly or not). The fact that it took 3 years for this information to come out indicates some dodgy business going on, and the consequences could be dire and should hopefully stir some debate into large scale doping in sport, where I feel the focus has been on Russia for too long. mpjmcevoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangehair43 177 Posted April 20 #83 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Dragon said: Just talked to a contact at ARD. They say it's probable the two stories are somehow connected but also say that the story about the Chinese relay team being stripped of gold is nonsense. Somebody added 2 and 2 together and got 22 as an answer to the sum. If the Russia story showed anything it’s very hard to strip medals without a positive test. CAS loves giving medals back to dopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangehair43 177 Posted April 20 #84 Share Posted April 20 Zhang Yufei, Wang Shun, Qin Haiyang all named as dopers in the New York Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangehair43 177 Posted April 20 #85 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, TeamGB said: The think that frustrates me the most is that is has been swept under the rug for so long. I'm sure that many of the Chinese swimmers are clean, and the progression shown by Chinese swimming/swimmers is not improbable, but now that this has happened the perception of many swimmers may have been tarnished (unfairly or not). The fact that it took 3 years for this information to come out indicates some dodgy business going on, and the consequences could be dire and should hopefully stir some debate into large scale doping in sport, where I feel the focus has been on Russia for too long. WADA’s head could be arrested in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,668 Posted April 20 #86 Share Posted April 20 4 hours ago, dullard said: About time for a new Hajo Seppelt special If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,754 Posted April 20 #87 Share Posted April 20 dullard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,754 Posted April 20 #88 Share Posted April 20 9 minutes ago, heywoodu said: About time for a new Hajo Seppelt special Any idea what time the programme will air tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biathlonfan 490 Posted April 20 #89 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, Dragon said: LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,668 Posted April 20 #90 Share Posted April 20 11 minutes ago, Dragon said: Any idea what time the programme will air tomorrow? I see nothing besides regular sports programming focusing on football.. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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