Men's Road Cycling UCI Tour de France 2019

[hckošice 15,811]

5 minutes ago, chrischi08 said:

 

Why? Both have a lot of green jersey and therefore they should have a lot of good placings

 

No, don´t get me wrong. I thougth Zabel had more wins that´s all. I didn´t know he had so many losses in tdf too, In fact I was sure nobody had so much losses like Peter in tdf.

 

 

[chrischi08 15]

Zabel only won one stage more than Sagan and two less than Kittel, so he doesn't even have the German record. I think Sagan and Zabel are both kind of similar. They were never the fastest Sprinters, but both were better in the mountains than their opponents, so they won the green jerseys because they won more points in the hilly stages or because their opponents did not finish (e.g. Cipollini).

[chrischi08 15]

But I also think Sagan would win more stages if he risks more. It wasn't the case today, but it feels like, he has a lot of second places where he simply stayed in the slipstream of the best sprinter and is satisified with the good place and the points.

[hckošice 15,811]

5 minutes ago, chrischi08 said:

Zabel only won one stage more than Sagan and two less than Kittel, so he doesn't even have the German record. I think Sagan and Zabel are both kind of similar. They were never the fastest Sprinters, but both were better in the mountains than their opponents, so they won the green jerseys because they won more points in the hilly stages or because their opponents did not finish (e.g. Cipollini).

 

yeah well, pretty same, but it´s hard to make comparison, they competed in different times, in different "circumstances" 

[hckošice 15,811]

11 minutes ago, chrischi08 said:

But I also think Sagan would win more stages if he risks more. It wasn't the case today, but it feels like, he has a lot of second places where he simply stayed in the slipstream of the best sprinter and is satisified with the good place and the points.

 

I disagree here, I think it´s the opposite, he is always trying everything, every his 2nd place in the Tour was really hardly battled, as you said he wasn´t, doesn´t and never will be a pure sprinter, so he just have to try his best in all sprint finish against top sprinters, otherwise he would never finished any close of his positions in flat stages. + I don´t remember any other cyclist who had so many so close and frustrating losses by milimeters like against Greipel, Kittel today Neulissen or Ciolek at that famous Milan-San remo few years ago

[bestmen 2,909]

this is the dopers stats of the Tour since 1968

 

how did they know the 8 dopers of 2019 while the tour didn't start yet

 

 

[bestmen 2,909]

After the fall of Fuglsang, Astana attacks Belgian roads "too dangerous"

 

 

[hckošice 15,811]

Stage 2

Sunday - July 7th, 2019

h. 14:30 (GMT +2)

 

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    Bruxelles - Brussel   

27.5km - Team Time Trial

 

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[heywoodu 16,142]

5 hours ago, hckosice said:

22 2nd places in TdF ? that´s something but frankly what a bummer, missing the yellow and green by 12cm ...

Nothing bummer about it, first Dutch yellow jersey in 30 years and by one of the least expected people  

[heywoodu 16,142]

4 hours ago, hckosice said:

 

I guess a unbeatable one and No, I can't even dare to it

No, if he had won all 22 stages in which he finished 2nd, he'd now be one stage behind the Cannibal, the all-time record holder  

 

He is 23rd in most stage top-10's by the way, for what it's worth  

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2019/gc/history/most-stage-top10s