Cinnamon Bun

How likely is it that all 8 of these will get spots and how many do you reckon will use universality/tripartite places?

What's the deal with the universality places? If all 3 aren't taken do the remaining spot(s) get reallocated via the rankings to make up the 37 athlete limit in each event?

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@batbobi I'd like to challenge you for the TWF Universal Championship. TWF needs someone new at the top, and you've been hogging the title for far too long.

For the sake of Llewellin I hope Lejeune takes one of the spots.

Definitely and that's the main problem here, the qualification effectively says "if the 2nd and/or 3rd best fencers in your country aren't good enough for a team quota, then you're not good enough for an individual". Table tennis has a similar qualification system to fencing, yet they managed to offer around 10-15 quotas from the rankings. Yes they have more than double the quotas but they still managed to find room for the individual athletes by not flooding the individual events with three qualifiers from the team event per qualified country.

In sports such as boxing, sailing and a lot of the team sports you get multiple chances to qualify so if 26th in the world didn't qualify they'd have no room to complain. In terms of artistic swimming, judo and taekwondo there are too little quota spots given to those countries as 26th in the world should qualify to the biggest event for each of those sports. Golf, Tennis, Table Tennis and even Beach Volleyball to an extent are able to get the 26th best in the world to the Olympics, Fencing should be no different given its format. But this all wouldn't need to be said if the IOC had increased the athlete quotas by 1000-1500.

Doesn't matter, no one ranked 26th after removed nations should miss out on qualifying for the Olympics - there needs to be more respect from the IOC and relevant sporting bodies towards these individual athletes who consistently perform well across a 2 year span. And with how unpredictable fencing can be, I think she would've given herself a decent shot at challenging for a medal.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a one-off qualifier, I'm still all for them. I just think a top 30 fencer who has performed consistently well for 2 years shouldn't be confined to a one-off qualifier and should instead get in via the rankings.

I see why they do so this but in the sports they do, Rowing and Taekwondo, the events they do them in already have a variety of nations competing so there's really no need to prevent top countries from other events from competing as those events already have a variety of countries qualified.

Not really as in that top 34 there's bound to be a couple countries that have 4 or 5 athletes meaning 1/6th of the athletes in that top 34 would be ineligible based on the 3 quota max rule. Either way in a sport like fencing there needs to be more priority towards ranking rather than one off events. I may be in a better mood about this tomorrow though if Maxwell or Brooke get a shock qualification.

The only real hope we have tomorrow is Maxwell in the Sabre who has shown some good form recently, I don't expect anything from Brooke in a big Eppe field.

I don't disagree with you there, but the qualification system is still mostly to blame as it limits the amount of individual athletes can qualify and effectively says "if other members of your team aren't good enough then your not good enough".

Yeah I found the whole fiasco with the final qualifier strange as there were countries listed as qualified who were well behind a plethora of unqualified countries in the official results.

What do you mean it won't increase the spots. Instead of the teams taking 24 spots they'd only take 16 meaning there'd be 8 spots open for the highest 8 on the world rankings. Table tennis is a prime example of this and the Fie should learn from them when it comes to converting team quotas to individual.

I've got no doubt she will, but the fact that we're not gonna have a single fencer in Paris, barring a miracle, due to how stupid the qualification system is is a sorry state of affairs.

Fucks sake Stutchbury. Absolutely bottled that from 9-5 up. We go from potentially qualifying a team in Men's foil and athletes in Women's Foil and Men's Sabre via rankings to none at all. Shows how stupid the qualification criteria is when you prioritise team athletes over individual in the individual event.

Will update all the qualifiers from the past 2 weeks in the coming days in anticipation for the final week of the marathon qualification window.

I thought Gowin in the rapid fire and Bale in the 10m had really good chances at getting a quota considering form and ranking, and in a way I was proven right as they both came close to the final. But I have been surprised at the performances of Miller and especially Bargeron who I hope doesn't bottle it today.

I thought we'd get a quota this week but this isn't the event and certainly isn't the athlete I thought would be challenging for it.

Tomorrow at around 2pm our time.

Considering the form he's been in I'm very surprised to see Bargeron here. Hopefully he can capitalise on the ISSF mishandling of this qualifier and earn us not only an unexpected shooting quota but an unexpected mixed rifle quota as well.

Overall a very good squad and near enough what I expected. Glad we actually stayed true to the 30 athlete limit, was worried we might go under. Surprised we took both Whittle and McMillan as I didn't think we'd needed both for relay cover and felt we had good enough cover in other areas for both the 4x1 and 4x2. This has led to Cox harshly being left off as I felt she could've contended for a final spot, just shows how much 1 bad swim at the wrong time can mess up your whole season. I think this also means we see Dawson swimming all relay heats as I doubt that Osrin and Harris will be able to go under the minute mark for the medley and the mixed medley.

Exactly, hopefully we can start doing the same in handball and start capitalising off the back of this.

So the athletes only qualify through this by getting top 5 and not by achieving the time but finishing outside top 5?