OlympicsFan

How many more (gold) medal chances do you have?

1) How do you know its a she? 2) What do you mean by "sites of bet"?

+ Grubauer, Greiss and Holzer.

They might be a better team than Germany without its 7 best players, but not by a mile. Its a surprise for sure, but not a miracle.

Normally yes, but Sweden is missing all its best players, they even have a kid on their roster ... I doubt that any of the guys here are among the 30 or 40 best swedish players.

They are missing all their best players. Would any of the guys who played today even make their best roster? Like i said before the start of the tournament: This event is senseless and has no meaning, results would be completely different if every nation would play with its best players.

Who?

Wut? Why are people acting as if this was a huge sensation?

Who did consider it a safe gold? Did you miss the world cup? If Drazek wouldn't have torn her ligaments, Canada wouldn't have won a medal at all, so i guess you should rather be happy today about this surprising medal. Edit: Of course also about the surprising gold in men's ski cross. Only the curling results have been a bit weak today for Germany.

Surprising result and nice to see her being so strong after what the german coaches did to her. Also at least a bit of redemption after what happened in men's 2-man.

Thanks for that very thoughtful response! I agree about Goggia and i don't think i said something different. Her and Vonn had to be considered the favorites for sure. I don't agree about Fontana though, i would like to know why you considered her one of the 2 clear favorites, although she didn't win a single world cup this season and she is only 3rd in the 500 m world cup and 10th in both the 1000 m and 1500 m world cup. I don't follow shorttrack really religiously, but according to the world cup results i think that Boutin and Choi Min-jeong were the clear favorites, they won 8 out of 12 world cups. I would also be interested to know why you based your opinion concerning Moioli on the world cup results but not your opinion about Fontana? You are probably right about Moioli, although i still think you were exaggerating a bit, it sounded as if she was the biggest favorite at the whole olympic games and could only lose gold if she completely messed up.

Then what exactly did you want to do with "It' s impossible to talk with you, you are Always wrong, i don't know if you are a Young boyor simply you don' t follow sports ..."? I agree that we have different ways of viewing results, but why didn't you just say that from the beginning? For both of us "surprise" seems to mean something very different, but that's ok. Before you discuss about something, you should always be clear that all people involve use the same definition, otherwise misunderstandings like that happen. It is nice that you admitted that you were wrong, hopefully we can lead many more good discussions in the future.

No, Jamaika will win silver, about 0.06-0.20 behind gold.

With De Fabiani Italy would have won a medal, that is safe. Great future for Italy, only two good talents, but they can win many medals in the future. If Klaebo disappears, Pellegrino could dominate.

Yeah, Peiffer having to do a penalty lap in the relay was expected, it happens all the time.

Ok, thanks i am very surprised then. I am ok with the expected medals overall, but the number of expected golds really surprises me. For me there were 4 gold medal chances for Italy at best, so expecting 3 golds didn't seem very realistic to me. Gracenote expected 1 gold and 6 medals in total for Italy, USA Today expected 1 gold and 11 medals in total.

Yeah, i would say something that is not expected (let's say more than 50% probability) but still happens is a surprise ... Then by your defintion, what exactly would have been a surprise in women's giant slalom? The gold for Peiffer of course is a surprise, but not that he medalled, he was sprint world champion before, what about Windisch, what did he win so far?

Ok, so if you need to insult people, you are clearly out of arguments. Where did i say that top 3 in world cup have to win the medals? I just disagreed that someone who is the 4th most likely to medal (Brignonen, Tumulero) should be called "medal favorite" that is all, but apparently you think differently. I understand your confusion, i wanted to say that the only disappointments so far were "Visintin and Wierer in the individual", sorry about that. Calling Windisch a surprising medallist and then saying that him not winning a medal (in the individual) was a disappointment would have made no sense indeed ...

Ok thanks, so Italy won tons of surprising medals still, but the medal count is the same, i guess we are both partly right. Any other websites! that predicted this?

Very sad for Pelle, another shocking loss for Italy after Omar and Doro?

The odds probably would have been 0.99, that's why ...

First time i am sad that Russia lost. Their german coach seems to be doing a good job, must be difficult to tell the russians that they can't dope anymore ... you have to wonder why he isn't coaching Germany ...

Thanks, so they predicted 2 golds, 1 silver and 5 bronze for the events so far? How many medals does Italy have now ... ?

If this is not overperforming, then there must be some websites that predicted this result. Tumulero, Windisch, biathlon mixed relay, Brignone, shorttrack team relay all weren't favorites for the medals, so you won tons of surprising medals. The only big disappointments so far were Windisch and maybe Wierer in the individual. You are 1 gold medal away from overtaking South Korea and Austria in the medal table, no chance that anyone in Italy expected this.

Haha, i knew that you would say that, you are really crazy. Noone predicted Italy to win so many medals and the part about Moioli is almost comical. You won pretty much every medal you were expected to win (except for Visintin) and even a couple more (shorttrack relay, Windisch, biathlon team relay, Tumulero), baffled to see someone not calling that overperforiming. Before the games you had 2-3 gold medal chances and now you have already 3, so no objective observer would say that you didn't have (almost) perfect results so far. If this really isn't overperforming, then there must be some websites out there that predicted this result.