[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Vojthas 949]

Just now, Monzanator said:

The Constitutional Court has no real power in Poland.

It has - it decides whether the law may be introduced or not. I'd say that with a cooperation between ruling majority politicians, president and the court the whole constitution can be thrown to the rubbish - no matter what, the law which needs to be introduced will be introduced, even against the constitution (and the conditional is just a clear courtesy on my side).

We never banished the communist officials - just to remind you, that the president who was heading the talks about joining the EU was a communist minister (and to keep things with the sport, as we are on Olympic forum, a president of Polish NOC - which wouldn't be possible if he hadn't a recommendation of the ruling communist party). And he's the only one re-elected president of Poland so far.

[Monzanator 4,525]

10 minutes ago, Vojthas said:

It has - it decides whether the law may be introduced or not. I'd say that with a cooperation between ruling majority politicians, president and the court the whole constitution can be thrown to the rubbish - no matter what, the law which needs to be introduced will be introduced, even against the constitution (and the conditional is just a clear courtesy on my side).

We never banished the communist officials - just to remind you, that the president who was heading the talks about joining the EU was a communist minister (and to keep things with the sport, as we are on Olympic forum, a president of Polish NOC - which wouldn't be possible if he hadn't a recommendation of the ruling communist party). And he's the only one re-elected president of Poland so far.

 

Whoever has majority in Parliament elects these members of the CC. This is not an independent board and only serves as extension of any ruling party or coalition. Members of Supreme Court in USA are elected for life so you can't replace them when their term runs out.

 

President Kwasniewski actually tried not to piss off the Church and the right-wingers too much. He was probably grateful the old communism dinosaurs weren't banished by Walesa in first place But again, Walesa had his entire legacy to lose so he made sure no lustration ever took place under his watch.

[dcro 10,210]

I wonder why people still talk about Crusades, but never about Cult of Reason and Reign of Terror? Same thing with inquisition vs lobotomies.

 

People are what they are. Deal with it.

[Olympian1010 7,990]

1 hour ago, Monzanator said:

 

I don't need to speak to Monks, Rabbis or whomever else to realize religion is all about control over humanity.

I literally just said this shit in the last comment.

 

1 hour ago, Monzanator said:

It's the same case as in monarchy which was largely ousted after WWI and very much so after WWII. All the decade-long Empires have fallen by the wayside y mid-20th century. The history of mankind is a history of war whether you like it or not. Reliogion is just a mean to justify the end. It dates back to ancient Egypt when some of the priests had more real power than the King (pharaoh). Humans are apex predators, they've gotten so good at developing guns they're too scared to use it. A nuclear end will get us to BC level again. 1% of the population owns 95% of its wealth & rescources.

Starting to sound like a socialist 

 

1 hour ago, Monzanator said:

 

I don't need to speak to Monks, Rabbis or whomever else to realize religion is all about control over humanity. It's the same case as in monarchy which was largely ousted after WWI and very much so after WWII. All the decade-long Empires have fallen by the wayside y mid-20th century. The history of mankind is a history of war whether you like it or not. Reliogion is just a mean to justify the end. It dates back to ancient Egypt when some of the priests had more real power than the King (pharaoh). Humans are apex predators, they've gotten so good at developing guns they're too scared to use it. A nuclear end will get us to BC level again. 1% of the population owns 95% of its wealth & rescources. You can say religion has nothing to do with terrorism and Islam is for peace but that's the ultimate bullshit. Every religion can be used to trigger another global war in like 5 seconds regardless of the MeToo, Greta Thunberg & veganism crap. That's completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Class warfare is core to humanity's existence since day one.

Yeah really getting those socialist vibes here. I’m just watch you unravel slowly from the sidelines for now 

[Olympian1010 7,990]

18 minutes ago, dcro said:

I wonder why people still talk about Crusades, but never about Cult of Reason and Reign of Terror? Same thing with inquisition vs lobotomies.

 

People are what they are. Deal with it.

Becuase the Cult or Reason and Reign of Terror weren’t religious or world conflicts, and to be honest no one gives a flying fuck about France until they offer to back you in war . We don’t talk about lobotomies because people like to pretend that people with “disabilities” don’t exist.

 

We do agree on that last point though. People suck.

[Monzanator 4,525]

42 minutes ago, dcro said:

I wonder why people still talk about Crusades, but never about Cult of Reason and Reign of Terror? Same thing with inquisition vs lobotomies.

 

People are what they are. Deal with it.

 

Neah, those progressive minds will NEVER allow that to happen. There's always a bunch of morons who think they can brainwash people with their supreme ideology. Veganism is the new black!

 

23 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I literally just said this shit in the last comment.

 

Starting to sound like a socialist 

 

Yeah really getting those socialist vibes here. I’m just watch you unravel slowly from the sidelines for now 

 

Yeah, I know I sound like a socialist but I find this ideology - and several others - flat out repulsive. Plus there's one difference, I don't tell people what they should do, wear, eat or how to behave. Political corectness is downright pathetic. There are thousands of these social media crusaders or open-minded liberals who just can't allow people to act like they want to or say things they want to. Progressive politics is just another way to control the humanity.

 

Now you can laugh as much as you want to and stay in your progressive bubble

[amen09 390]

Relion is bad

Religion is bullshit ....

But guess what ?

The top 2 most murders dictators are atheists

STALIN  caused  the death of more than 43 millions people 

Mao zedong more than 38 millions

 

Many others murders dictators are atheists like lenin and mussolini

 ( I dont know about hitler if he was Catholic or atheist ?)

[dcro 10,210]

31 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

Becuase the Cult or Reason and Reign of Terror weren’t religious or world conflicts

 

And that is exactly the point. Idealists use religion as scapegoat, while violence is really caused by economic reasons, and as such goes back to the dawn of humanity...

 

I mean, just take a look at casualties of this battle... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

[Olympian1010 7,990]

1 minute ago, amen09 said:

Relion is bad

Religion is bullshit ....

But guess what ?

The top 2 most murders dictators are atheists

STALIN  caused  the death of more than 43 millions people 

Mao zedong more than 38 millions

 

Many others murders dictators are atheists like lenin and mussolini

 ( I dont know about hitler if he was Catholic or atheist ?)

I think Hitler was a professed Catholic, but he obviously didn’t adhere to that faith (I though Mussolini was religious too?). Though the Catholic Church was very much complicit in the Holocaust.

 

I would imagine Stalin was orthodox, being as the orthodox faith still has power in the region. Though a true communist is supposed to be atheist, so who knows .

 is actively killing Uyghur Muslims so you have a point there. 
 

Again, never said religion was bad. I said it can misinterpreted often, and used as a political tool.

[Olympian1010 7,990]

Just now, dcro said:

 

And that is exactly the point. Idealists use religion as scapegoat, while violence is really caused by economic reasons, and as such goes back to the dawn of humanity...

 

I mean, just take a look at casualties of this battle... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

It takes money to fund battles, and believe me, the major religions have money. The difference between warfare when religion gets involved and when it doesn’t come down to genocide. Off the top of my head I can only think of about 3 of 25 well known modern genocides that weren’t because of religion. Religion itself isn’t the problem. It’s the people others allow to be the leaders of their faith. 
 

To make a point of fairness, ideas cause battles too. It happens when we let our craziest thoughts take the best of us. I am in no way saying that religion alone is responsible for conflict, I’m saying that faith can be preverted and used as a weapon. The exact same thing can happen with ideas.