Shiffrin 33 Posted February 13, 2018 #311 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:44 AM, LowerSaxony said: Of course we don't. How could we? But it shows that even later BIBs have a chance to beat Dressen. Btw we do not see around 40% of the course. Expand As I said, track has been getting gradually worse, which I think it’s pretty obvious to see. My point still stands, Hirscher was extremely lucky to get the bib2, it was the best possible bib today for skiers ranked 11-20 on start list rankings. Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 860 Posted February 13, 2018 #312 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:43 AM, Shiffrin said: Let me refer to you to the 2nd training where Hirscher was +3.91 seconds behind on this same course, while he may not have been going 100%, it’s still stupid to think his run today wasn’t helped by great conditions as opposed to later bibs. Expand I think it's stupid to draw anything from the training runs, the course is completely different + (as Dreßen said before the race) the snow conditions completely changed (much more agressive), but i see that you are not willing to talk about facts, so why not save us both some time? Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiffrin 33 Posted February 13, 2018 #313 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:49 AM, OlympicsFan said: I think it's stupid to draw anything from the training runs, the course is completely different + (as Dreßen said before the race) the snow conditions completely changed (much more agressive), but i see that you are not willing to talk about facts, so why not save us both some time? Expand So you seriously think Hirscher had the same conditions as Kilde, Bennett and Caviezel? Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerSaxony 205 Posted February 13, 2018 #314 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:48 AM, Shiffrin said: As I said, track has been getting gradually worse, which I think it’s pretty obvious to see. Expand Sorry I don't see facts that support your thesis. But you have the right for your own opinion. Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiffrin 33 Posted February 13, 2018 #315 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:50 AM, LowerSaxony said: Sorry I don't see facts that support your thesis. But you have the right for your own opinion. Expand Rewatch the race and also look at the wind that accompanied Bennett and Kilde. I mean even some slalom specialists are in front of Bennett. So how are you going to deny that bib 2 wasn’t better than bibs 14-20 Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 860 Posted February 13, 2018 #316 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 3:54 AM, Shiffrin said: Rewatch the race and also look at the wind that accompanied Bennett and Kilde. I mean even some slalom specialists are in front of Bennett. So how are you going to deny that bib 2 wasn’t better than bibs 14-20 Expand Do you really think that the wind had any influence on the eventual medallists? Do you really think that Hirscher should be much more than 0.2-0.3 s ahead of Hirscher on a course like that? Even if Hirscher and Dreßen both would have been 0.5 seconds slower, than what exactly would have changed? Gold/silver still would have been between Hirscher and Pinturault and bronze probably between Schwarz, Aerni, Muffat-Jandet and maybe someone else. The speed guys never had a medal chance today. Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 15,085 Posted February 13, 2018 Author #317 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Adam the kamikaze with or without wind he always do the same Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,210 Posted February 13, 2018 #318 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Von Appen makes million mistakes and still less than 2 secs behind. Yeah, wind has no influence. #banbestmen Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 15,333 Posted February 13, 2018 #319 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 4:05 AM, dcro said: Von Appen makes million mistakes and still less than 2 secs behind. Yeah, wind has no influence. Expand Von Appen is a well-known specialist who you'd clearly expect to finish close to the top. Obviously. dcro 1 . Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 15,085 Posted February 13, 2018 Author #320 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Link to comment https://totallympics.com/forums/topic/721-alpine-skiing-at-the-winter-olympic-games-2018/page/32/#findComment-119570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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