Taekwondo at the Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024 Road to Paris 2024

[thevorminatheria 4]

2 hours ago, erw said:

I had Just checked for Taekwondo seeding with only -M58 80, W57 and 67+ where Korean is in.

 

I cannot confirm but..

 

for M58, this looks right.

 

 

 

M80

1. Allesio

2. Nickolas

3. Eissa

4. Seo

5. Al-Sharabaty

6. Katoussi

7. Takov

8. Barkhordari

9. Jaysunov

10. Sawadogo

11. Sejranovic

12. Marquez

13. Churchill

14. Hrnic

15. Mansouri :EOR

16. Toleugali

17. Coulibaly

 

 

W57

 

1. Luo

2. Kiyanichandeh

3. Jones

4. Park

5. Ilgun

6. Lo

7. Dillon

8. Pacheco

9. Hymer

10. Toumi

11. Aoun

12. Kim

13. Hronova

14. Reljkij

15. Alizadeh

16. Atora

 

 

 

 

W67+

1. Kus

2. Lee

3. McGowan

4. Laurin

5. Brandl

6. Osipova

7. Zhou

8. AbouFaras

9. Al-Rub

10. Jahl

11. Bathily

12. Acosta

13. Abdulsalmova

 

I cannot clearly distinguish between seed 14~16 as some players are from -67 ranking

 

A. Stolbova (-67kg 12th)

B. Traill (67+ 152th) 

C. Aguirre (-67kg 75th, Kyorugi ranking-73kg 165th) 

 

 

 

I think there is the same issue for 49kg W where El-Bouchti has been reallocated a quota via 57kg ranking (not sure why BTW). She does not have a ranking in thr 49kg so will she be #17 of the seed or will they consider the ranking points from the 57kg ranking to place her somewhere in the 49kg ranking and seed her accordingly? The situation is different from Stolbova because in her case the rankings are the reason why she received quota so to simply ignore her ranking would be weird.

[erw 23]

2 hours ago, prso1000 said:

Laurin will be top seeded

Of course I also thinks that top seed for Laurin is reasonable, but I maybe saw here that Laurin used home quota so she ll be 4 seeded. Do you have some related reference? Thanks

[erw 23]

19 minutes ago, thevorminatheria said:

I think there is the same issue for 49kg W where El-Bouchti has been reallocated a quota via 57kg ranking (not sure why BTW). She does not have a ranking in thr 49kg so will she be #17 of the seed or will they consider the ranking points from the 57kg ranking to place her somewhere in the 49kg ranking and seed her accordingly? The situation is different from Stolbova because in her case the rankings are the reason why she received quota so to simply ignore her ranking would be weird.

For El-Bouchti

https://worldtkd.simplycompete.com/playerProfileV2?countryId=null&searchQuery=null&month=6&year=2024&subCategory1=11ea9376-4530-2b19-aefb-0af9674366aa&rankingTypeId=11ea9376-1b54-af01-aefb-0af9674366aa&userId=11e6eef4-48d9-4c48-92b4-12f817a4f090

 

If you see her profile in 2024 June ranking, she also have ranking of 49kg #43 World Kyorugi ranking point. I think she could also be counted into 49 olympic ranking based on this data, although this would be lower than her original January ranking..

 

[prso1000 589]

11 minutes ago, erw said:

Of course I also thinks that top seed for Laurin is reasonable, but I maybe saw here that Laurin used home quota so she ll be 4 seeded. Do you have some related reference? Thanks

Doesn’t matter which quota she used, she will be top seeded 

[erw 23]

1 minute ago, prso1000 said:

Doesn’t matter which quota she used, she will be top seeded 

Okay you maybe right, and I don't want to offend you. 

 

I Just Want to know the rule.. anyway. 

[prso1000 589]

1 minute ago, erw said:

Okay you maybe right, and I don't want to offend you. 

 

I Just Want to know the rule.. anyway. 

The rule is simple, host gets 4th seeding if they don’t have someone better than 4th in ranking. If they have someone, then ranking applies, in this case Laurin is no 1 in the ranking and will be seeded no 1. 

[phelps 7,487]

11 hours ago, thevorminatheria said:

I was looking into taekwondo rankings. This appears to be the ranking (end of June) they will use for seeding:
https://worldtkd.simplycompete.com/playerRankingV2?limit=25&pageNo=1&month=6&year=2024&rankingCategoryId=11ea9376-9371-e3ef-aefb-0af9674366aa&subCategory1=11ea9376-4530-2b19-aefb-0af9674366aa&rankingTypeId=11ea9376-1b54-af01-aefb-0af9674366aa

I understand that the French athletes when present will be ranked at least 4th (but can be ranked higher if they have a higher ranking than 4th). 

Anyone willing to take a look and see if the seeding I derived for the 58kg makes sense?

1 Jendoubi 

2 Dell’Aquila 

3 Vicente 

4 Ravet (host seed) 

5 Park 

6 Salim 

7 Wooley 

8 Lewis 

9 Issaka 

10 Magomedov 

11 Guzman 

12 Granado 

13 Ismail 

14 Gurtsiev 

15 Ababarikov 

16 Diop 

17 Korneev 

18 Tiran 

this is a perfect table draw...all the most dangerous rivals of Vito are in the opposing half

[mpjmcevoy 294]

13 hours ago, thevorminatheria said:

I was looking into taekwondo rankings. This appears to be the ranking (end of June) they will use for seeding:
https://worldtkd.simplycompete.com/playerRankingV2?limit=25&pageNo=1&month=6&year=2024&rankingCategoryId=11ea9376-9371-e3ef-aefb-0af9674366aa&subCategory1=11ea9376-4530-2b19-aefb-0af9674366aa&rankingTypeId=11ea9376-1b54-af01-aefb-0af9674366aa

I understand that the French athletes when present will be ranked at least 4th (but can be ranked higher if they have a higher ranking than 4th). 

Anyone willing to take a look and see if the seeding I derived for the 58kg makes sense?

1 Jendoubi 

2 Dell’Aquila 

3 Vicente 

4 Ravet (host seed) 

5 Park 

6 Salim 

7 Wooley 

8 Lewis 

9 Issaka 

10 Magomedov 

11 Guzman 

12 Granado 

13 Ismail 

14 Gurtsiev 

15 Ababarikov 

16 Diop 

17 Korneev 

18 Tiran 

Yep, that's exactly the order I got, which would give us the following main draw:

 

 

Obviously the repechage for bronze depends who wins the semifinals.

 

now, we could both be wrong !! but that's my reading of that class.

 

If it went entirely to seeding (just for argument) the repechage would IRL v KAZ, AUS v SEN - followed by IRL v ESP, AUS v FRA/KOR with ESP and FRA/KOR getting bronzes 

 

Thank god TKD is played on mats, not paper...

Edited Friday at 12:07 PM by mpjmcevoy

[MHSN 3,461]

3 hours ago, erw said:

For El-Bouchti

https://worldtkd.simplycompete.com/playerProfileV2?countryId=null&searchQuery=null&month=6&year=2024&subCategory1=11ea9376-4530-2b19-aefb-0af9674366aa&rankingTypeId=11ea9376-1b54-af01-aefb-0af9674366aa&userId=11e6eef4-48d9-4c48-92b4-12f817a4f090

 

If you see her profile in 2024 June ranking, she also have ranking of 49kg #43 World Kyorugi ranking point. I think she could also be counted into 49 olympic ranking based on this data, although this would be lower than her original January ranking..

 

Olympic Ranking doesn't work like this. athletes had a short window at the start of year to change their Olympic weight and once they do it. they can't reverse it back until the next year. while in World Ranking you can be ranked in different weight classes but in Olympic Ranking that's not possible. you can be ranked just in one weight.

 

Bouchti moved up to 57kg after she failed to qualify for the Olympics and therefore took all of her ranking pts to the new weight. she received an unexpected Olympic quota few months later but unless WT does something super special she has to be ranked #17 in Paris.

 

I followed this case in past couple of months because this is crucial for our girl Nematzadeh, if they put Bouchti back as the #7 seed, (which is very unlikely but with WT you can never be sure) the current seed 7 Nematzadeh has to withdraw.

[mpjmcevoy 294]

2 hours ago, phelps said:

this is a perfect table draw...all the most dangerous rivals of Vito are in the opposing half

It's often oddly in the nature of these things that the second seed has a better OVERALL draw than the top seed, until you get the semis, albeit the top seed gets the pest pickings of their half - equally the fourth seed often has a pig of a draw - given some artificial french 4th seeds, that quarter is likely to be 'unpredictable'