Swimming 2022 Discussion Thread

[Vic Liu 1,682]

Chinese short course trials Day3

 

Men 800m free Fei Liwei 7:34.74

Women 800m free Li Bingjie 8:02.09

Men 400m IM Huang Zhiwei 4:06.68

Women 100m fly Zhang Yufei 55.46

Men 50m fly Chen Juner 22.72

Men 100m back Wang Gukailai 51.94

Women 50m breast Tang Qianting 29.19 AR

Women 200m back Peng Xuwei 2:03.07 

Men 200m breast Qin Haiyang 2:03.08

Women 100m free Yang Junxuan 51.78 NR

Men 200m free Pan Zhanle 1:42.66

Women 200m IM Yu Yiting 2:06.05

[NMQ 243]

Titmus says Li Bingjie breaking her WR gives her extra motivation and fire in her belly to take it back. But she won't race in worlds as her next big meet is trials next year 

 

 

[phelps 7,678]

 Italian Winter Nationals (Short Course)

 

best of Day #1

 

men's 400m IM
1. Pier Andrea Matteazzi,  4'09"79

women's 50m Back
1. Silvia Scalia,  26"54

men's 50m Fly
1. Matteo Rivolta,  22"43

women's 200m Free
1. Margherita Panziera,  1'57"07*

men's 50m Breast
1. Simone Cerasuolo,  25"90**
2. Fabio Scozzoli,  26"18

women's 100m Breast
1. Benedetta Pilato,  1'04"66*
2. Arianna Castiglioni,  1'05"02
3. Martina Carraro,  1'05"20
and 2 more swimmers below the 1.06 mark

 

men's 400m Free
1. Matteo Ciampi,  3'39"31**
2. Marco De Tullio,  3'39"89

women's 100m Fly
1. Ilaria Bianchi,  57"22
2. Elena Di Liddo,  57"48

men's 100m IM
1. Marco Orsi,  52''62

men's 200m Breast
1. Gabriele Mancini,  2'04''77

women's 200m Back
1. Martina Cenci,  2'05''16

men's 100m Back
1. Lorenzo Mora,  49''98*
2. Matteo Rivolta,  50''40

women's 50m Free
1. Silvia Di Pietro,  24''10

men's 1500m Free
1. Ivan Giovannoni,  14'42''76
2. Luca De Tullio,  14'44''40

women's 800m Free
1. Simona Quadarella,  8'15''01*

men's 200m Fly
1. Alberto Razzetti,  1'52''49*
2. Giacomo Carini,  1'52''96
3. Christian Ferraro,  1'53''19

women's 200m IM
1. Costanza Cocconcelli,  2'07''12**
2. Sara Franceschi,  2'07''38**
3. Ilaria Cusinato,  2'08''00

men's 100m Free
1. Alessandro Miressi,  46''41*
2. Paolo Conte Bonin,  46''46**

 

* = swimmers already qualified to the SC Worlds (based on previous results)

 

** = swimmers who matched the required time to qualify to the SC Worlds

Edited November 10, 2022 by phelps

[dullard 699]

Is this the selection meet for short course world champs?

[phelps 7,678]

18 minutes ago, dullard said:

Is this the selection meet for short course world champs?

yes and no...

 

I mean, the core of the team was already determined on the basis of last season's World Champs and European Champs results.

 

then we have a time table for all the swimmers who didn't qualify before.

 

to be precise, all the Budapest 2022 medallists and the Rome 2022 Gold medallists are already qualified by right, then 2 or 3 swimmers earned their ticket in the recent world cup races + last week's meet in Genua and finally those who swim fast enough in this meet also qualify.

 

but the required times are almost impossible to get (basically it's the 8th ranked time of last year's Short Course World Champ), as our federation doesn't want to have a big team flying to Australia because of the economic struggle they're living.

 

for instance, this morning only Pilato (women's 100m Breast), Cerasuolo (men's 50 Breast) and Ciampi (men's 400m Free) swam the qualifying time.

 

and this afternoon only the top 2 in the men's 100m Free and in the women's 200m IM went below those crazy marks.

 

and Pilato and Miressi were already qualified through last season's events (however a few swimmers would eventually fly to Australia because of the relays, too).

[dullard 699]

14 minutes ago, phelps said:

yes and no...

 

I mean, the core of the team was already determined on the basis of last season's World Champs and European Champs results.

 

then we have a time table for all the swimmers who didn't qualify before.

 

to be precise, all the Budapest 2022 medallists and the Rome 2022 Gold medallists are already qualified by right, then 2 or 3 swimmers earned their ticket in the recent world cup races + last week's meet in Genua and finally those who swim fast enough in this meet also qualify.

 

but the required times are almost impossible to get (basically it's the 8th ranked time of last year's Short Course World Champ), as our federation doesn't want to have a big team flying to Australia because of the economic struggle they're living.

 

for instance, this morning only Pilato (women's 100m Breast), Cerasuolo (men's 50 Breast) and Ciampi (men's 400m Free) swam the qualifying time.

 

and this afternoon only the top 2 in the men's 100m Free and in the women's 200m IM went below those crazy marks.

 

and Pilato and Miressi were already qualified through last season's events (however a few swimmers would eventually fly to Australia because of the relays, too).

Australia used to use the time to make the top 8 at the previous global meet (Worlds or Olympics) as the qualifying time for the next one and Japan and Great Britain use similarly harsh QTs (even the US couldn't fill all available spots with some of these QTs). Worlds this year was the first in a long time Australia used the FINA QTs. It was horrible to see swimmers left home that would've been taken to the Olympics if they swam under a different nationality that uses the FINA QTs.

 

 

[phelps 7,678]

12 hours ago, dullard said:

Australia used to use the time to make the top 8 at the previous global meet (Worlds or Olympics) as the qualifying time for the next one and Japan and Great Britain use similarly harsh QTs (even the US couldn't fill all available spots with some of these QTs). Worlds this year was the first in a long time Australia used the FINA QTs. It was horrible to see swimmers left home that would've been taken to the Olympics if they swam under a different nationality that uses the FINA QTs.

 

 

we always have not so strict rules...we can't afford to leave home any decent talent...

 

normally all the global medallists from the previous season are prequalified to the following year's main event, then we use the time table (but looking at the 16th ranked of the last World/Olympic meet) and still our coaches have some discretional margin.

 

this time, as I wrote, they have to keep the team quite small because of the economical situation and the flight to AUS being very expensive.

 

we'll see what our coaches do after this meet.

[phelps 7,678]

 Italian Winter Nationals (Short Course)

 

best of Day #2 (Morning Session)

 

women's 400m IM
1. Sara Franceschi,  4'32"74*

men's 50m Back
1. Lorenzo Mora,  23"25*

women's 50m Fly
1. Silvia Di Pietro,  25"47

men's 200m Free
1. Marco De Tullio,  1'44"21
2. Matteo Ciampi,  1'44"24
3. Stefano Di Cola,  1'44"29

women's 50m Breast
1. Benedetta Pilato,  29"71*
2. Martina Carraro,  29"98
3. Arianna Castiglioni,  30"17

men's 100m Breast
1. Simone Cerasuolo,  57"04*

women's 400m Free
1. Giordana Artic,  4'07"46 
2. Antonietta Cesarano,  4'07"53
3. Noemi Cesarano,  4'07"56

men's 100m Fly
1. Matteo Rivolta,  49"49**
2. Simone Stefanì,  50"43

 

 

* = swimmers already qualified to the SC Worlds (based on previous results)

 

** = swimmers who matched the required time to qualify to the SC Worlds

 

the whole group of swimmers of the men's 200m Free are individually outside the qualification mark, but most likely they will all qualify to the SC Worlds through the Relay (today there were also another guy @ 1.44. and 4 guys @ 1.45.)

 

Silvia Di Pietro might also be taken into consideration because she almost matched the required times in the W 50m Free and Fly despite being sick this week, because of her experience and because she's a 25m pool specialist.

 

the last session of the championship is just underway.

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[phelps 7,678]

 Italian Winter Nationals (Short Course)

 

best of Day #2 (Afternoon Session)

 

women's 100m IM
1. Costanza Cocconcelli,  59"24*

women's 200m Fly
1. Ilaria Cusinato,  2'06"09

men's 200m Back
1. Lorenzo Mora,  1'50"23*

women's 200m Breast
1. Martina Carraro,  2'21"11
2. Francesca Fangio,  2'21"32
3. Lisa Angiolini,  2'21"97

 

men's 50m Free
1. Leonardo Deplano,  21"38*
2. Alessandro Miressi,  21"40*

women's 100m Back
1. Silvia Scalia,  56"78**

men's 800m Free
1. Davide Marchello,  7'41"49
2. Filippo Bertoni,  7'41"56
3. Luca De Tullio,  7'42"73

 

women's 1500m Free
1. Simona Quadarella,  15'41"79*

men's 200 IM
1. Alberto Razzetti,  1'54"06*

women's 100m Free
1. Chiara Tarantino,  53"35
2. Costanza Cocconcelli,  53"55*

 

 

* = swimmers already qualified to the SC Worlds (based on previous results)

 

** = swimmers who matched the required time to qualify to the SC Worlds

 

Ilaria Cusinato is a strange case: she swam the required time in the W 200m Fly at the Berlin WC stage, but that wasn't a sanctioned meet.

in Genua and here she didn't match any required mark, but she got close and won both races with comfortable margin.

then she swam the required time in the W 200m IM, but she was only 3rd in that race.

I'm really curious to see what the coaches are going to do with her. Personally, I think she deserves to fly to the SC Worlds.

[phelps 7,678]

this season came to an end just a few hours ago in  Eilat.

 

the women's race was won by  Chesea Gubecka ahead of  Marcela Cunha and  Leonie Beck.

 

the men's race (and the whole series) was won by  Gregorio Paltrinieri. Today he anticipated at the sprint finish  Marc-Antoine Olivier and  David Betlehem.

 

yesterday, the last team relay of the season was won by France, ahead of  Australia 1 and  Italy 1.