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I honestly doubt that many people will send 20 votes before the last song. People who send so many votes are probably die hard fans and will make sure they can keep voting for their favourites throughout

7 last places in 8 years, Isaak really should be able to get Germany out of that

Nope, finally something that at least partially might take away the massive disadvantage of being early in the draw.

Every time I hear Ukraine's song, I like it more Edit: forgot about the rap part, never mind.

If there really was more to it, EBU or someone should really have come with some statement by now....it's 2 full days later, surely they could have told their side?

God this intro part feels weird given all that's happened in the past 30 hours

Next point announcement withdrawal: Nikkie de Jager has said that no matter what she does tonight when announcing the Dutch points, she won't do it right anyway, so they decided the Dutch points will not be announced on screen.

Luna (Poland): "What is happening right now has nothing to do with United by Music anymore, we are not united anymore at all."

We're looking to buy a house and hopefully find one this year. If you ever need a place to sleep in the Netherlands, you're welcome, probably we will be able to fit a leprechaun bed somewhere for you.

Last played songs on one of the main Dutch radio stations the past half hour

Oops You know who I mean, you drunk potato farmer

Käärijä announced he steps back from giving Finland's points. Meanwhile, Dutch flags have been confiscated from fans at the stadium. Barbie Thug is meanwhile still waiting for an answer on her complaint against Israel and their behaviour.

Still curious to try that some day I've got Southern Comfort, Vana Tallinn, Licor 43 and a Dutch version of that at the ready (sounds like a massive alcoholic but those bottles all contain just a little bit and have been slowly emptied over a few months )

To be fair, they include basically anyone on that list who has not publicly shouted "Fuck Putin!"

I really, really hope so

Right, a few more details. AVROTROS offered several things to avoid a DQ, including Joost publicly apologizing, a talk between all parties involved (refused outright by the camera woman) and a joint statement with EBU. A small incident but even apologizing for that wasn't accepted.

There may still be a part of the story missing of course, but EBU has refused to give any information whatsoever, so for now we only have the AVROTROS statement to go on and that one tells the story of something that can barely even be called an incident. DQ for that is utterly ridiculous.

Apparently there has been no contact with the camera person after the incident (despite attempts to clear things up, she refused). So from what we now know, this seems to have been the situation: - Joost Klein performed in the semi's, then walked off stage rushing to the green room - There were deals not to film him (apparently a common thing) on the way there - Against those deals, he was being filmed - Repeated requests to stop filming were ignored - Joost then reacted with a 'threatening move' towards the camera (whatever that may be, perhaps a slight swing of the fist, but didn't hit anyone, possibly touched the camera) - Camera person complained about it, then quickly walked away and refused any contact to clear things up - Police was called because of that and in the end it was enough to disqualify him What the actual hell.

It was sort of the same as that Polish thing from a few years ago, with the lady and the stick

It reminded me (and others as well, I saw later) of the bathroom in the opening part of the first Saw movie

Shocking images have appeared of the threatening movement.

Statement from AVROTROS, after more than 24 hours we finally have some more clarity about what happened.

Definitely true, like when someone asked a nasty question to Eden Golan and he quickly got in between that with a jab towards that 'journalist' (and in defense of Eden), along the likes of 'in which way would her presence make things unsafe?!'.

Absolutely, but the videos will for sure be flying around everywhere

Maybe they'll DQ the Dutch crowd