India National Thread

[sanjaydas 14]

Does anyone have the schedule of:
1. Next Wrestling qualifiers

2. Boxing qualifiers

3. Next Archery qualifiers

4. Asian Shooting qualifiers

5. The M+W Hockey play-offs

[Dolby 757]

Just now, sanjaydas said:

Does anyone have the schedule of:
1. Next Wrestling qualifiers

2. Boxing qualifiers

3. Next Archery qualifiers

4. Asian Shooting qualifiers

5. The M+W Hockey play-offs

1) March 2020 Asian

2) February 2020 Asian and May 2020 World

3) November 2019 for individual (Asian) and June 2020 for team and individual

4) November 2019 Asian

5) 1st and 2nd November 2019

 

[nitinsanker 208]

stayed up to watch Jinson .......disappointed he was well off his personal best ............. finished 10th and is out 

[sanjaydas 14]

18 hours ago, Dolby said:

1) March 2020 Asian

2) February 2020 Asian and May 2020 World

3) November 2019 for individual (Asian) and June 2020 for team and individual

4) November 2019 Asian

5) 1st and 2nd November 2019

 

All are quite far away. The Worlds Athletics is a major disappointment. We should not have hoped for anything but would have liked to see how Neeraj Chopra and Hima Das would have fared.

[sanjaydas 14]

We appreciate only PBs and SBs. Countries like China and USA only pay heed to medals. Even smaller countries are obsessed by medals only.

[Siddhartha Talukdar 263]

Just now, sanjaydas said:

We appreciate only PBs and SBs. Countries like China and USA only pay heed to medals. Even smaller countries are obsessed by medals only.

Buddy, we must understand that our Athletics structure is not of highest quality and hence we would happy with PB and SB only. Just a cursory glance at our athletes' body structure, height, muscle mass compared to other top nations' athletes theres a huge difference.

We may not get medals but we must moniter if we are progressing or not

[Sanjib 17]

31 minutes ago, Siddhartha Talukdar said:

Buddy, we must understand that our Athletics structure is not of highest quality and hence we would happy with PB and SB only. Just a cursory glance at our athletes' body structure, height, muscle mass compared to other top nations' athletes theres a huge difference.

We may not get medals but we must moniter if we are progressing or not

I agree with you Siddhartha, not sure what some of us are expecting from our athletics team members, lets be realistic I would say we have done well till now. 

[nitinsanker 208]

My take on the situation , careful tracking is required to understand what is happening in a sport 

 

three predictive indicators for the success of a country at a sport are  ( I work in analytics so sorry my terminology may go towards 

 

1. Performance in the World championship 

2. World ranking 

3. Medals at a junior level 

 

 

For example today we are a dominant player in Shooting , we could have predicted this 3-4 years ago when our junior  team started getting many medals at the Junior world cup 

 

Now coming strictly to atheletics 

 

performance in the world championship ( number of Indian Finalists ) 

 

2009 - 0

2011- 2

2013-1

2015 - 3

2017 -2

2019 -  3( already hoping for at least 1 more ) 

 

I think that is a good improvement especially if we touch 4 since we have 3 of our best atheletes injured - Hima , Neeraj and Dharun ( rajiv Arokia was also injured )  ...... This affected our performance heavily in 3 events as well as all the three 4*400 relays 

 

 

 

Coming to world ranking ( this is from my tracking files )

 

 

	sept 10th-06	oct 1st -06	Feb-07	august 10th-08	Feb-09	nov10	sept11	Aug-12	Dec-15
Subtotals- mens - atheletics
top 100	5	5	5	15	15	20	16	17	22
Top 10	0	0	0	0	0		0	0	0
In 11-25	0	0	0	2	2	4	3	3	4
In 25-50	1	1	1	5	5	3	2	1	6
fifty plus	4	4	4	8	8	12	10	12	13

 

 

currently we are having close to 30 in the top 100 in world ranking if I am not mistaken (  and at least 1 in the top 10 

 

Also at the junior level we have had 2 Gold medals recently ..............................

 

 

 

so my prediction If the same rate of increase continues  we should have some atheletics medals in the next 3-4 years in world atheletics 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shravan Kumar 111]

Just now, nitinsanker said:

My take on the situation , careful tracking is required to understand what is happening in a sport 

 

three predictive indicators for the success of a country at a sport are  ( I work in analytics so sorry my terminology may go towards 

 

1. Performance in the World championship 

2. World ranking 

3. Medals at a junior level 

 

 

For example today we are a dominant player in Shooting , we could have predicted this 3-4 years ago when our junior  team started getting many medals at the Junior world cup 

 

Now coming strictly to atheletics 

 

performance in the world championship ( number of Indian Finalists ) 

 

2009 - 0

2011- 2

2013-1

2015 - 3

2017 -2

2019 -  3( already hoping for at least 1 more ) 

 

I think that is a good improvement especially if we touch 4 since we have 3 of our best atheletes injured - Hima , Neeraj and Dharun ( rajiv Arokia was also injured )  ...... This affected our performance heavily in 3 events as well as all the three 4*400 relays 

 

 

 

Coming to world ranking ( this is from my tracking files )

 

 

	sept 10th-06	oct 1st -06	Feb-07	august 10th-08	Feb-09	nov10	sept11	Aug-12	Dec-15
Subtotals- mens - atheletics
top 100	5	5	5	15	15	20	16	17	22
Top 10	0	0	0	0	0		0	0	0
In 11-25	0	0	0	2	2	4	3	3	4
In 25-50	1	1	1	5	5	3	2	1	6
fifty plus	4	4	4	8	8	12	10	12	13

 

 

currently we are having close to 30 in the top 100 in world ranking if I am not mistaken (  and at least 1 in the top 10 

 

Also at the junior level we have had 2 Gold medals recently ..............................

 

 

 

so my prediction If the same rate of increase continues  we should have some atheletics medals in the next 3-4 years in world atheletics 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good analysis

[Siddhartha Talukdar 263]

1 hour ago, nitinsanker said:

My take on the situation , careful tracking is required to understand what is happening in a sport 

 

three predictive indicators for the success of a country at a sport are  ( I work in analytics so sorry my terminology may go towards 

 

1. Performance in the World championship 

2. World ranking 

3. Medals at a junior level 

 

 

For example today we are a dominant player in Shooting , we could have predicted this 3-4 years ago when our junior  team started getting many medals at the Junior world cup 

 

Now coming strictly to atheletics 

 

performance in the world championship ( number of Indian Finalists ) 

 

2009 - 0

2011- 2

2013-1

2015 - 3

2017 -2

2019 -  3( already hoping for at least 1 more ) 

 

I think that is a good improvement especially if we touch 4 since we have 3 of our best atheletes injured - Hima , Neeraj and Dharun ( rajiv Arokia was also injured )  ...... This affected our performance heavily in 3 events as well as all the three 4*400 relays 

 

 

 

Coming to world ranking ( this is from my tracking files )

 

 

	sept 10th-06	oct 1st -06	Feb-07	august 10th-08	Feb-09	nov10	sept11	Aug-12	Dec-15
Subtotals- mens - atheletics
top 100	5	5	5	15	15	20	16	17	22
Top 10	0	0	0	0	0		0	0	0
In 11-25	0	0	0	2	2	4	3	3	4
In 25-50	1	1	1	5	5	3	2	1	6
fifty plus	4	4	4	8	8	12	10	12	13

 

 

currently we are having close to 30 in the top 100 in world ranking if I am not mistaken (  and at least 1 in the top 10 

 

Also at the junior level we have had 2 Gold medals recently ..............................

 

 

 

so my prediction If the same rate of increase continues  we should have some atheletics medals in the next 3-4 years in world atheletics 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A fellow data analyst!!!

I don't follow Athletics as much as I do Football, Badminton,Hockey etc and hence my understanding is limited. 

But to check progress in whatever sports, just counting medals isn't the right parameter but participations in World events, gradual improvement in National Records, progression to latter stages and so on. I certainly believe we are making huge strides and the results are showing.

The fact that we are even discussing medals itself is huge compared to 15-20 years where we would just show up to fill the numbers