[OFF TOPIC] Politics Thread

[Monzanator 4,453]

6 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I could. We need to continue the momentum of March For Lives. Our generation is so mis-characterized. Do you realize the difference of what we have to deal with compared to what our parents have to deal with. Luxury is the standard for people older than 30 who took all the opportunity and left nothing for us. In fact, they fucked the planet over too, so now we will have nothing left. We use social media because it’s all we can afford to do. We plan rallies, the police the show up. We plan vigils, parents tell us no. We contact our congressional reps and they laugh in our faces. This is modern society 1 AD.

 

Here's the thing, whenever someone mentions the word 'planet' I know it's going off the rails. You're too idealistic to make a real change. This ain't the 19th century. Political battle isn't won on the idealistic front anymore because the monarchic systems that dominated politics have been wiped away by the time WWI ended and the fall of British Empire after WWII completed the job. The reps laugh in your face because they know what's cooking and how the politics work. Idealistic ideas mean nothing, it's the hardware that counts. The 1960s protests were fuelled by the next generation breaking out of the post-WWII trauma. People born in the late 40s / early 50s knew nothing about the War and in USA case, Vietnam only confirmed the war was unneccessary to begin with. What is the modern society going to rebel about? The planet? Seriously? The 1960s protests could take the troops back home and that was immediate gain but the modern protests ain't gonna crush the crude oil market or wipe away the political corruption. Let alone save the planet. You target brings zero immediate gain and can't be put under any scrutiny hence you can't call it a success like the 60s generation could. What's more, the politicians are using this as their own fuel to justify their own status as if they weren't cynical enough already.

[Olympian1010 7,919]

Fuck Mississippi. This is who they elect? (I mean it’s not shocking, just sad)

 

[Olympian1010 7,919]

23 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Here's the thing, whenever someone mentions the word 'planet' I know it's going off the rails. You're too idealistic to make a real change. This ain't the 19th century. Political battle isn't won on the idealistic front anymore because the monarchic systems that dominated politics have been wiped away by the time WWI ended and the fall of British Empire after WWII completed the job. The reps laugh in your face because they know what's cooking and how the politics work. Idealistic ideas mean nothing, it's the hardware that counts. The 1960s protests were fuelled by the next generation breaking out of the post-WWII trauma. People born in the late 40s / early 50s knew nothing about the War and in USA case, Vietnam only confirmed the war was unneccessary to begin with. What is the modern society going to rebel about? The planet? Seriously? The 1960s protests could take the troops back home and that was immediate gain but the modern protests ain't gonna crush the crude oil market or wipe away the political corruption. Let alone save the planet. You target brings zero immediate gain and can't be put under any scrutiny hence you can't call it a success like the 60s generation could. What's more, the politicians are using this as their own fuel to justify their own status as if they weren't cynical enough already.

I guess when we’re all dead in 50 years because the ozone laye is falling apart, I can at least quote one fool. The biggest problem is my generation (and the one before) have been conditioned not to speak out. We don’t have the same opportunities your generation did, and it will come to a boiling point one day.

[heywoodu 14,866]

1 hour ago, Vojthas said:

The only thing that would help would be another mass shooting - not in a school, but in a Congress or White House.

 

Yes, let's hope politicians get shot, that's always good for a country. Just like journalists and lawyers being killed, moves a country forward.

 

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[heywoodu 14,866]

21 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I guess when we’re all dead in 50 years because the ozone laye is falling apart, I can at least quote one fool. The biggest problem is my generation (and the one before) have been conditioned not to speak out. We don’t have the same opportunities your generation did, and it will come to a boiling point one day.

I consider myself lucky I have way more opportunities the generation* before me did.

 

*as far as one can be so closed-minded as to really think in terms of separate generations being a thing

[Monzanator 4,453]

32 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said:

I guess when we’re all dead in 50 years because the ozone laye is falling apart, I can at least quote one fool. The biggest problem is my generation (and the one before) have been conditioned not to speak out. We don’t have the same opportunities your generation did, and it will come to a boiling point one day.

 

I'm older than you but I don't remember any war either, just the brutal days of communism masquerading as your beloved socialism. It didn't work in Poland in the 20th century, it didn't work in Bolivia right now and guess what, it won't work in the USA either if Sanders or Cortez-Ocasio are allowed to run the show. Besides the frickin' social media gives your generation a huge opportunity to speak. This goes so far that one makes you think social media is the real world and whomever doesn't have a IG or twitter account doesn't exist. It's a bubble trap the liberals fell into with the Trump elections. They won the twitter battle but lost the actual elections. Hello, people without social media actually matter.

 

How about that Hong Kong tweet from the Rockets GM? One damn tweet and millions of dollars are lost. And you complain about not being able to speak out? Seriously?

Edited November 14, 2019 by Monzanator

[Monzanator 4,453]

9 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Yes, let's hope politicians get shot, that's always good for a country. Just like journalists and lawyers being killed, moves a country forward.

 

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Doesn't USA lead the rankings in murdered heads of state in office anyway? Poland's first King was crowned in 1025 and in 994 years we've had ONE head of state murdered while in office. Not bad for such a close-minded and conservative country

[heywoodu 14,866]

2 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Doesn't USA lead the rankings in murdered heads of state in office anyway? Poland's first King was crowned in 1025 and in 994 years we've had ONE head of state murdered while in office. Not bad for such a close-minded and conservative country

To be fair, any politician (or journalist, or lawyer and so on) being shot is generally bad, be it a head of state or a 'minor' one.

[Monzanator 4,453]

11 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

To be fair, any politician (or journalist, or lawyer and so on) being shot is generally bad, be it a head of state or a 'minor' one.

 

If you've lived through the communism rule you'd add War heroes or priests being killed for opposing the regime. Lawyers don't tick any box for me tbh. I've seen enough murderers and others get away with one on a technicality I have little respect to this profession.

[heywoodu 14,866]

Just now, Monzanator said:

 

If you've lived through the communism rule you'd add War heroes or priests being killed for opposing the regime. Lawyers don't tick any box for me tbh. I've seen enough murderers and others get away with one on a technicality I have little respect to this profession.

 

Without lawyers we'd live in a world where nobody would get their fair process. "Sure, killers can go to jail, I don't care." Until you're the one accused of something you know you did not do.

 

A few weeks ago a lawyer was shot and killed on the street here, which crossed an entirely new line that had not yet been crossed here. It is a very, very dangerous one.

Edited November 14, 2019 by heywoodu