Doping Cases and Bans in 2025

[heywoodu 16,001]

1 hour ago, NearPup said:

Obviously she accidentally injested it when cooking pasta for her horse.

 

(The actual explaination she is giving is that it is cough medicine)

Given by an army doctor (she is one of many army athletes in Germany).

[Swewi 460]

1 hour ago, heywoodu said:

Given by an army doctor (she is one of many army athletes in Germany).

Even if it would be true, I could never understand Why athletes don't learn. They do everything for their sport career but still make these stupid mistakes and not looking up what meds they are taking when they know the risks. Even, I as a national level curling player who only had 2 tests in my life, have always looked up all kind of salves and meds before taking it.

[heywoodu 16,001]

10 hours ago, Swewi said:

Even if it would be true, I could never understand Why athletes don't learn. They do everything for their sport career but still make these stupid mistakes and not looking up what meds they are taking when they know the risks. Even, I as a national level curling player who only had 2 tests in my life, have always looked up all kind of salves and meds before taking it.

Oh I agree. My own girlfriend has never gotten a test despite competing in world championships (same as Carl btw ), but still carefully checks every supplement and medicine.

[Antoricci87 27]

I’m a farmacist, and sometime it happened that it was me to say to an athlete (not at high level, but I don’t know well how the antidoping calls works) “this could be showed in an antidoping test”

[phelps 8,279]

for those with short memory...

 

clenbuterol in Germany = Grit Breuer and Katrin Krabbe

 

they have a long, long tradition dating back to the good old GDR and transferred to the newly unified Germany in the early 90's

Edited June 26 by phelps

[LowerSaxony 205]

13 hours ago, phelps said:

for those with short memory...

 

clenbuterol in Germany = Grit Breuer and Katrin Krabbe

 

they have a long, long tradition dating back to the good old GDR and transferred to the newly unified Germany in the early 90's

So you are insinuating there is still systematic doping with clenbuterol in Germany because... GDR and doping cases 35 years ago?

 

I am not excusing anything about Carl's (and the doctor's) likely mistake and I am pretty sure that she will have to face consequences for that. But her case is certainly not an intended doping violation if you read the background stories and facts carefully. Thus, your comment is - with all due respect - pretty weird.

 

By the way, it's funny how people incriminate foreign athletes on complicated cases all across the board but call for a differentiated view on all facts around the case when it comes to their "own" athletes (e.g. Sinner's clostebol case. And btw, GDR used clostebol as well as they used clenbuterol, you might want to look up Birgit Dressel's death.) 

[phelps 8,279]

2 hours ago, LowerSaxony said:

So you are insinuating there is still systematic doping with clenbuterol in Germany because... GDR and doping cases 35 years ago?

 

I am not excusing anything about Carl's (and the doctor's) likely mistake and I am pretty sure that she will have to face consequences for that. But her case is certainly not an intended doping violation if you read the background stories and facts carefully. Thus, your comment is - with all due respect - pretty weird.

 

By the way, it's funny how people incriminate foreign athletes on complicated cases all across the board but call for a differentiated view on all facts around the case when it comes to their "own" athletes (e.g. Sinner's clostebol case. And btw, GDR used clostebol as well as they used clenbuterol, you might want to look up Birgit Dressel's death.) 

no, that's not my intention

 

I only wanted to say that I don't trust any explaination pointing at the "accidental use" of medicines containing that element

 

exactly like I don't trust all those athletes claiming their innocence when caught with the (in)famous Italian cream (and yes, at the same time I believe Sinner is innocent, since his case was completely different, it wasn't even accidental use, but a small contamination caused by his physio, as proven beyond any reasonable doubt)

[Swewi 460]

On 6/26/2025 at 4:19 PM, Antoricci87 said:

I’m a farmacist, and sometime it happened that it was me to say to an athlete (not at high level, but I don’t know well how the antidoping calls works) “this could be showed in an antidoping test”

Maybe you as a farmacist know and can confirm but isnt clenbuterol similar to Symbicort - the astma medicine that Marit Björgen and Martin Sundby used in huge doses with their TUE exceptions, despite some research has shown similar anabolic effect from that as clenbuterol?

Edited July 2 by Swewi

[Antoricci87 27]

On 7/2/2025 at 8:39 PM, Swewi said:

Maybe you as a farmacist know and can confirm but isnt clenbuterol similar to Symbicort - the astma medicine that Marit Björgen and Martin Sundby used in huge doses with their TUE exceptions, despite some research has shown similar anabolic effect from that as clenbuterol?

I studied a bit and yes, symbicort is stronger than clenenbuterol, but the effect is pretty similar (sorry for the late answer but I just sow the notification😅)

[Swewi 460]

On 7/6/2025 at 3:30 PM, Antoricci87 said:

I studied a bit and yes, symbicort is stronger than clenenbuterol, but the effect is pretty similar (sorry for the late answer but I just sow the notification😅)

So Symbicort that Bjrögen etc used is even stronger than the forbinned Clenbuterol?