If LA 1984 Olympics were not boycotted, what would have been the results?

[rafalgorka 1,509]

I have a plane to catch today, I won't be active in this forum next couple of days (lucky you, no more spam for some time),

but if anyone's want to carry on with this thread, do it please, you are free to go.

For me personally it is very interesting topic and i'm very curious how it's gonna look like when we finish with all 15 days of olympic events back in LA.

 

Bye!

[rafalgorka 1,509]

Day 2 events :

 

Cycling Track - Men's Individual Time Trial 1km

 

1. Sergei Kopylov URS 1.03.56 (FR1)

2. Maic Malchov GDR 1.04.17 (FR2)

3. Milan Hajek TCH 1.05.67 (FR3)

 

In this event, times were better at Friendships but every track is different, so I don't know what times would these guys get in LA.

 

Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Prone

 

1. Petar Zapryanov BUL 599 (FR1)

2. Edward Etzel USA 599 (LA1)

3. Sergey Ivanenko URS 598 (FR2)

 

Here we need a shoot-off between BUL and USA athletes. I said gold for BUL - USA was on home soil, but BUL athlete was more experienced. He already had medal in 1980 olympics. So maybe he could be better...

 

Swimming - Men's 4x200m Freestyle Relay

 

1. United States 7.15.69 (LA1)

2. West Germany 7.15.73 (LA2)

3. East Germany 7.20.78 (FR1)

 

M 4x200 free final in LA was a swim-for-ages!!! Check it out if you haven't seen it yet:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4R0Mgiqs5g

 

Swimming - Men's 100m Butterfly

 

1. Michael Gross FRG 53.08 (LA1)

2. Pablo Morales USA 53.23 (LA2)

3. Glenn Buchanan AUS 53.85 (LA3)

 

This race was good as well. I wonder if Albatros would lose 4x200 if he didn't compete in 100 fly final on the same day before...

 

Swimming - Men's 400m Individual Medley

 

1. Alex Baumann CAN 4.17.41 (LA1)

2. Jens-Peter Berndt GDR 4.18.29 (FR1)

3. Ricardo Prado BRA 4.18.45 (LA2)

 

Swimming - Women's 200m Freestyle

 

1. Mary Wayte USA 1.59.23 (LA1)

2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.59.48 (FR1)

3. Cynthia Woodhead USA 1.49.50 (LA2)

 

Swimming - Women's 200m Breaststroke

 

1. Larisa Byelokon URS 2.29.13 (FR1)

2. Sylvia Gerasch GDR 2.29.62 (FR2)

3. Anne Ottenbrite CAN 2.30.38 (LA1)

 

Weightlifting - Men's 56kg (Bantamweight)

 

1. Naim Suleimanov BUL 297.5 (FR1)

2. Oksen Mirzoyan URS 295.0 (FR2)

3. Wu Shude CHN 267.5 (LA1)

 

That is second LA-weightlifting Chinese gold lost in a row.

This is quite obvious that 1984 boycott helped China a lot to shine on olympic stage for the first time.

Anyway, Naim Suleimanov aka Suleymanoglu would get his first olympic gold here, this one for Bulgaria.

[rafalgorka 1,509]

LA 1984 day 2 summary

Medal table (17 events)

 

6-4-4---14

4-2-3---9

3-1-0---4

2-1-2---5

1-5-1---7

1-3-1---5

0-1-2---3

0-0-3---3

0-0-1---1

0-0-1---1

 

Only 10 NOCs on the medal table after Day 2. How different this is these days...

 

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Day 3 events

 

Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Team

 

1. United States 591.400 (LA1)

2. China 590.800 (LA2)

3. Soviet Union 590.300 (FR1)

 

That was close final to say the least. 3 teams within 1.1 pts at the end.

But I don't know whether simply comparing LA and Friendships results are reliable.

I think it's not so easy to compare results from different competiton - different set of judges etc.

@thiago_simoes i am very interested in your opinion here, if you'd like to pay attention to this little thread

 

Shooting - Men's 50m Running Target

 

1. Igor Sokolov URS 592 (FR1)

2. Tibor Bodnar HUN 591 (FR2)

3. Thomas Pfeiffer GDR 590 (FR3)

 

This is already 3rd Chinese LA gold lost here. 2 golds in weightlifting in the first 2 days, and now this one.

And another event I miss a lot in today's olympics event schedule.

 

Shooting - Mixed Trap

 

1. Alexandr Asanov URS 199 (FR1)

2. Jorg Damme GDR 194 (FR2)

3. Josef Machan TCH 194 (FR3)

 

In LA it was mixed event, in FR it was men's only.

Italy has sadly lost its LA gold here. No medal for Peru, either.

 

Shooting - Women's 10m Air Rifle

 

1. Pat Spurgin USA 393 (LA1)

2. Edith Gufler ITA 391 (LA2)

3. Svetlana Komaristova URS 390 (FR1)

 

Swimming - Men's 100m Freestyle

 

1. Rowdy Gaines USA 49.80 (LA1)

2. Mark Stockwell AUS 50.24 (LA2)

3. Sergey Smiriagin URS 50.26 (FR1)

 

Swimming - Men's 200m Backstroke

 

1. Sergei Zabolotnov URS 1.58.41 (FR1) WR

2. Vladimir Shemetov URS 1.59.54 (FR2)

3. Rick Carey USA 2.00.23 (LA1)

 

Swimming - Women's 400m Freestyle

 

1. Tiffany Cohen USA 4.07.10 (LA1)

2. Astrid Strauss GDR 4.07.66 (FR1)

3. Irina Laricheva URS 4.09.70 (FR2)

 

Swimming - Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay

 

1. East Germany 3.42.41 (FR1) WR

2. United States 3.43.43 (LA1)

3. Soviet Union 3.44.31 (FR2)

 

NED has lost its silver here, 4th 0.09 sec behind Soviets.

Swimming seems to be easy to compare, but in the real world i think NED might have been able to swim this 0.1 sec faster if they had fought USSR in the same race.

 

Swimming - Women's 100m Backstroke

 

1. Ina Kleber GDR 1.00.99 (FR1)

2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.02.02 (FR2)

3. Theresa Andrews USA 1.02.55 (LA1)

And another medal for Kristin Otto in LA.

I wonder if all the Friendship Games medalists would pass the doping tests in LA...

 

Weightlifting - Men's 60kg (Featherweight)

 

1. Stefan Topurov BUL 322.5 (FR1)

2. Yurik Sarkisyan URS 315 (FR2)

3. Anton Kodzabashev BUL 295 (FR3)

 

Third BUL weightlifting gold in a row in LA.

Third CHN weightlifting gold lost in a row in LA.

Four CHN gold medals lost in LA within first 3 days.

No gold for CHN in LA in our simulation yet.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by rafalgorka

[rafalgorka 1,509]

LA 1984 day 3 summary

Medal table (27 events)

 

10-5-6---21

7-4-8---19

4-1-1---6

3-8-2---13

2-1-2---5

1-3-1---5

0-2-2---4

0-1-3---4

0-1-0---1

0-1-0---1

0-0-2---2

0-0-1---1

 

 

USA vs USSR battle is warming up in the middle of the Cold War...

Bulgaria is "the best of the rest" so far - 3 golds in weightlifting and 1 gold in shooting.

Edited January 18, 2023 by rafalgorka

[Dragon 1,842]

So I've been ill with the flu for the last couple of weeks and I've had a lot of spare time on my hands.

So I thought I'd compare the sprint athletics by putting them through a program which equalizes the wind speeds between the two races.

This is what it should have looked like if there had been no wind at at all at either LA or Moscow in 1984

 

 

Men 100

1 Lewis USA 10.00

2 Lara CUB 10.15

3 Kovacs HUN 10.16

4 Penalver CUB 10.19

5 Graddy USA 10.20

6 Johnson CAN 10.23

7 Janiak POL 10.27

8 Brown USA 10.28

 

Men 200

1 Lewis USA 19.75

2 Baptiste USA 19.91

3 Jefferson USA 20.21

4 Da Silva BRA 20.26

5 Muravyov URS 20.27

6 Yevgaev URS 20.34

7 Luebke FRG 20.46

8 Boussemart FRA 20.50

 

Men 110 h

1 Kingdom USA 13.16

2 Foster USA 13.19

3 Brygarre FIN 13.36

4 McKoy CAN 13.41

5 Campbell USA 13.51

5 Bakos HUN 13.51

7 Ustinov URS 13.52

8 Munkelt GDR 13.59

 

No differences in medals at all - but the women's events were very different...

Edited January 20, 2023 by Dragon
typo

[rafalgorka 1,509]

Thanks @Dragon

 

it is very interesting.

I wonder how it looks in W 100m when you use your magic program :-)

 

As English Wikipedia says:

 

Making such comparisons was unjustified, because of differing conditions and equipment. For example, Marlies Göhr's result of 10.95 in women's 100 metre run was slightly better than Evelyn Ashford's winning time of 10.97 at the 1984 Olympics, but when the two met head-to-head a week after the Friendship Games, Ashford was much faster than Göhr and set the new world record.

[rafalgorka 1,509]

I'd like to sum things up in one post.

 

So here the summary of first 3 days in LA.

 

Day 1 Sunday

 

1. Cycling Road - Men's Individual Race

 

1. Alexi Grewal USA LA1

2. Steve Bauer CAN LA2

3. Alexandr Zinovyev URS FR1

 

2. Cycling Road - Women's Individual Race

 

1. Connie Carpenter USA LA1

2. Rebecca Twigg USA LA2

3. Sandra Schumacher FRG LA3

 

3. Shooting - Men's 50m Pistol

 

1. Aleksandr Melentiev URS 578 FR1

2. Lyubcho Dyakov BUL 573 FR2

3. Anatoli Egrishin URS 568 FR3

 

4. Shooting - Women's 25m Pistol

 

1. Marina Dobrancheva URS 589 FR1

2. Linda Thom CAN 585 (198 shoot-off) LA1

3. Ruby Fox USA 585 (197 shoot-off) LA2

 

5. Swimming - Men's 200m Freestyle

 

1. Michael Gross FRG 1.47.44 LA1

2. Mike Heath USA 1.49.10 LA2

3. Thomas Fahrner FRG 1.49.69 LA3

 

6. Swimming - Men's 100m Breaststroke

 

1. Steve Lundquist USA 1.01.65 LA1

2. Victor Davis CAN 1.01.99 LA2

3. Peter Evans AUS 1.02.97 LA3

 

7. Swimming - Women's 100m Freestyle

 

1. Kristin Otto GDR 55.75 FR1

2. Birgit Meineke GDR 55.79 FR2

3. Carrie Steinseifer USA 55.92 LA1

3. Nancy Hogshead USA 55.92 LA1 ex aequo

 

8. Swimming - Women's 400m Ind Medley

 

1. Tracy Caulkins USA 4.39.24 LA1

2. Yelena Dendeberova URS 4.43.78 FR1

3. Suzanne Landells AUS 4.48.30 LA2

 

9. Weightlifting - Men's 52 kg

 

1. Neno Terziyski BUL 252.5 kg FR1

2. Zeng Guoqiang CHN 235.0 kg LA1

3. Zhou Peishun CHN 235.0 kg LA2

 

Medal table (after Day 1, 9 events)

 

4-2-3---9

2-1-2---5

1-1-0---2

1-1-0---2

1-0-2---3

0-3-0---3

0-1-1---2

0-0-2---2

 

Day 2 Monday

 

10. Cycling Track - Men's Individual Time Trial 1km

 

1. Sergei Kopylov URS 1.03.56 FR1

2. Maic Malchov GDR 1.04.17 FR2

3. Milan Hajek TCH 1.05.67 FR3

 

11. Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Prone

 

1. Petar Zapryanov BUL 599 FR1 (shoot-off)

2. Edward Etzel USA 599 LA1 (shoot-off)

3. Sergey Ivanenko URS 598 FR2

 

12. Swimming - Men's 4x200m Freestyle Relay

 

1. United States 7.15.69 LA1

2. West Germany 7.15.73 LA2

3. East Germany 7.20.78 FR1

 

13. Swimming - Men's 100m Butterfly

 

1. Michael Gross FRG 53.08 LA1

2. Pablo Morales USA 53.23 LA2

3. Glenn Buchanan AUS 53.85 LA3

 

14. Swimming - Men's 400m Individual Medley

 

1. Alex Baumann CAN 4.17.41 LA1

2. Jens-Peter Berndt GDR 4.18.29 FR1

3. Ricardo Prado BRA 4.18.45 LA2

 

15. Swimming - Women's 200m Freestyle

 

1. Mary Wayte USA 1.59.23 LA1

2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.59.48 FR1

3. Cynthia Woodhead USA 1.49.50 LA2

 

16. Swimming - Women's 200m Breaststroke

 

1. Larisa Byelokon URS 2.29.13 FR1

2. Sylvia Gerasch GDR 2.29.62 FR2

3. Anne Ottenbrite CAN 2.30.38 LA1

 

17. Weightlifting - Men's 56kg (Bantamweight)

 

1. Naim Suleimanov BUL 297.5 FR1

2. Oksen Mirzoyan URS 295.0 FR2

3. Wu Shude CHN 267.5 LA1

 

Medal table (after Day 2, 17 events)

 

6-4-4---14

4-2-3---9

3-1-0---4

2-1-2---5

1-5-1---7

1-3-1---5

0-1-2---3

0-0-3---3

0-0-1---1

0-0-1---1

 

Day 3 Tuesday

 

18. Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Team

 

1. United States 591.400 LA1

2. China 590.800 LA2

3. Soviet Union 590.300 FR1

 

19. Shooting - Men's 50m Running Target

 

1. Igor Sokolov URS 592 FR1

2. Tibor Bodnar HUN 591 FR2

3. Thomas Pfeiffer GDR 590 FR3

 

20. Shooting - Mixed Trap

 

1. Alexandr Asanov URS 199 FR1

2. Jorg Damme GDR 194 FR2

3. Josef Machan TCH 194 FR3

 

21. Shooting - Women's 10m Air Rifle

 

1. Pat Spurgin USA 393 LA1

2. Edith Gufler ITA 391 LA2

3. Svetlana Komaristova URS 390 FR1

 

22. Swimming - Men's 100m Freestyle

 

1. Rowdy Gaines USA 49.80 LA1

2. Mark Stockwell AUS 50.24 LA2

3. Sergey Smiriagin URS 50.26 FR1

 

23. Swimming - Men's 200m Backstroke

 

1. Sergei Zabolotnov URS 1.58.41 FR1

2. Vladimir Shemetov URS 1.59.54 FR2

3. Rick Carey USA 2.00.23 LA1

 

24. Swimming - Women's 400m Freestyle

 

1. Tiffany Cohen USA 4.07.10 LA1

2. Astrid Strauss GDR 4.07.66 FR1

3. Irina Laricheva URS 4.09.70 FR2

 

25. Swimming - Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay

 

1. East Germany 3.42.41 FR1

2. United States 3.43.43 LA1

3. Soviet Union 3.44.31 FR2

 

26. Swimming - Women's 100m Backstroke

 

1. Ina Kleber GDR 1.00.99 FR1

2. Kristin Otto GDR 1.02.02 FR2

3. Theresa Andrews USA 1.02.55 LA1

 

27. Weightlifting - Men's 60kg (Featherweight)

 

1. Stefan Topurov BUL 322.5 FR1

2. Yurik Sarkisyan URS 315 FR2

3. Anton Kodzabashev BUL 295 FR3

 

Medal table (after Day 3, 27 events)

 

10-5-6---21

7-4-8---19

4-1-1---6

3-8-2---13

2-1-2---5

1-3-1---5

0-2-2---4

0-1-3---4

0-1-0---1

0-1-0---1

0-0-2---2

0-0-1---1

 

 

 

 

[Dragon 1,842]

1 minute ago, rafalgorka said:

Thanks @Dragon

 

it is very interesting.

I wonder how it looks in W 100m when you use your magic program :-)

 

As English Wikipedia says:

 

Making such comparisons was unjustified, because of differing conditions and equipment. For example, Marlies Göhr's result of 10.95 in women's 100 metre run was slightly better than Evelyn Ashford's winning time of 10.97 at the 1984 Olympics, but when the two met head-to-head a week after the Friendship Games, Ashford was much faster than Göhr and set the new world record.

W 100

1 Ashford USA 10.89

2 Gohr GDR 10.93

3 Ottey-Page JAM 11.08

3 Kondratyeva URS 11.08

5 Nuneva BUL 11.09

6 Gladisch GDR 11.09

7 Auerswald GDR 11.09

8 Brown USA 11.11

 

 

[rafalgorka 1,509]

Just now, Dragon said:

W 100

1 Ashford USA 10.89

2 Gohr GDR 10.93

3 Ottey-Page JAM 11.08

3 Kondratyeva URS 11.08

5 Nuneva BUL 11.09

6 Gladisch GDR 11.09

7 Auerswald GDR 11.09

8 Brown USA 11.11

 

 

 

that's what I thought.

 

I think there's a big chance Ashford would have won against Goehr in LA in 100m race,  when they would have been running together.