Tennis Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024

[jayakris 3]

  On 6/9/2024 at 8:18 PM, Makedonas said:

They are sometimes lenient with the rules, especially for a country like Australia who has many great players and probably didn't have many opportunities to be picked for Davis Cup anyways because he had other countrymen ranked higher than him!

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I don't think they can do that.  Rules are rules.  They had better not bend it in this case.  If it was for a top-20 player, I can understand.  But O'Connell is #67 and Mensik is #78.  To screw CZE out of their third player, only to allow Australia to get a 4th player in, would be just wrong!  Czech Republic should certainly protest if they bend the rules.

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[Makedonas 2,197]

  On 6/9/2024 at 8:22 PM, jayakris said:

I don't think they can do that.  Rules are rules.  They had better not bend it in this case.  If it was for a top-20 player, I can understand.  But O'Connell is #67 and Mensik is #78.  To screw CZE out of their third player, only to allow Australia to get a 4th player in, would be just wrong!  Czech Republic should certainly protest if they bend the rules.

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They "bend the rules" like this all the time, there are many examples, especially when a player recently rose up like O'Connell did. He spent most of this Olympic cycle out of the top 100 and only recently is now well inside the top 100.

 

It really was not realistic for Australia to select him in Davis Cup in 2021 or 2022 for example.

 

Badosa is a good example, she spent most of the time between Rio and Tokyo well outside the top 100, where it would have been illogical for a country like Spain with multiple higher ranked players to choose her for BJK Cup during those years, then in 2020/2021 she rose up a lot in the rankings so Spain was able to get the exception for her to go to Tokyo.

 

Now a player like Sorana Cirstea should not get an exemption to play in Paris because she has consistently been one of Romania's top 2 players and hasn't played BJK Cup since 2018.

[JoshMartini007 2,566]

The Davis/BJK rules are more suggestions and an easy out for players that don't want to participate at the Olympics without looking bad.

 

If the player really wants to and their NOC agrees the ITF won't prevent them from competing.

[jayakris 3]

  On 6/9/2024 at 8:39 PM, Makedonas said:

They "bend the rules" like this all the time, there are many examples, especially when a player recently rose up like O'Connell did. He spent most of this Olympic cycle out of the top 100 and only recently is now well inside the top 100.

 

It really was not realistic for Australia to select him in Davis Cup in 2021 or 2022 for example.

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But that is all Australia's problem.  Czechia need not pay for that.  AUS could have selected him earlier this year and Hewitt didn't.  Now they cannot cry about it.  And ITF should not pay heed if they do.

 

Mensik is just 18 years old.   A super-talented player.   The only player aged below 19 in the ATP top-200.   He had come up from #140 to #77 in the last 4 months or something, right?  To screw him out of a chance to play at Olympics, just to be nice to Australia smells awfully foul to me.

 

(I am an Indian, and don't have a dog in this fight.  I just felt bad that Sumit Nagal pushed the young kid out of that last spot.  But he actually didn't.  As per ITF's rules, Mensik should still be in!)

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[prso1000 683]

  On 6/9/2024 at 8:14 PM, Makedonas said:

Cilic hasn't played in a very long time, I thought he was injured, is he going to be healthy again?

 

Dodig/Vekic would just miss out but there would probably be withdrawals. Without withdrawals, Pavic/Vekic would get in regardless. Is that not a possibility?

 

Is Martic/Vekic not an option because they don't want to play together or some other reason? They would be one of the first alternates right now after GRE and ITA2, so they probably have a chance to get in the draw. I don't think Martic can make it in singles unless there are a lot of withdrawals...

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Dodig just said last week he plans to play with Cilic. 
 

I don’t think Vekic wants to play 3 tournaments, beside singles, she is focusing on mixed. I am sure they will get in. 
 

Martic is safe for the singles. She played a challenger this week and improved her ranking a bit. That should be enough. 
 

 

[stepansevs 138]

  On 6/9/2024 at 9:04 PM, jayakris said:

But that is all Australia's problem.  Czechia need not pay for that.  AUS could have selected him earlier this year and Hewitt didn't.  Now they cannot cry about it.  And ITF should not pay heed if they do.

 

Mensik is just 18 years old.   A super-talented player.   The only player aged below 19 in the ATP top-200.   He had come up from #140 to #77 in the last 4 months or something, right?  To screw him out of a chance to play at Olympics, just to be nice to Australia smells awfully foul to me.

 

(I am an Indian, and don't have a dog in this fight.  I just felt bad that Sumit Nagal pushed the young kid out of that last spot.  But he actually didn't.  As per ITF's rules, Mensik should still be in!)

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I hope that Menšík will be in. But i think that it is not against rules. It Is not neccessary to be part od Davis Cup/Fed Cup, but have interest to compete (example with Badosa is good enough). 

[jayakris 3]

  On 6/9/2024 at 10:50 PM, stepansevs said:

I hope that Menšík will be in. But i think that it is not against rules. It Is not neccessary to be part od Davis Cup/Fed Cup, but have interest to compete (example with Badosa is good enough)

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Anyway, in the end, I am sure Mensik will be in.  This early cut will drop  quite a bit.  Probably at least 5-6 spots.

[Jan Linha 590]

  On 6/10/2024 at 1:38 AM, jayakris said:

Anyway, in the end, I am sure Mensik will be in.  This early cut will drop  quite a bit.  Probably at least 5-6 spots.

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Thanks of your kind words of Jakub he is really huge talent. He had a break due to a small injury but he is back. He mentioned for media he would be happy to go to the Games but if he doesn't go, it doesn't matter as he is still very young and will surely be aiming for LA28. But according to the current ranking it shows he may make the cut 😊🤞

[Makedonas 2,197]

  On 6/9/2024 at 10:47 PM, prso1000 said:

Dodig just said last week he plans to play with Cilic. 
 

I don’t think Vekic wants to play 3 tournaments, beside singles, she is focusing on mixed. I am sure they will get in. 
 

Martic is safe for the singles. She played a challenger this week and improved her ranking a bit. That should be enough. 
 

 

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Vekic isn't good on clay and won't even be seeded in singles so I don't think 3 tournaments will be much for her, but anyways Martic is 79 in singles which I don't think will be enough to get in unless there are a lot of withdrawals, probably the cutoff will be around 70 before withdrawals.

 

Which is unfortunate because I would like to see her make the Olympics once in her career (and she will be 37 in 2028...), but also she has herself to blame for not caring to go to Tokyo when she had the ranking for it.

[Pasolini 264]

  On 6/4/2024 at 2:31 PM, MatiReimundo said:

The loss of Ruusuvuori in this week challengers pretty much close the olympics rankings as there is no more possible changes, except  Altmaier or Marterer win the Heilbronn Challenger and gets in the last spot. The Top 56 qualified players are:

 

* Based on Monday 10/06 World Ranking, some players can withdraw or not meet the elegibility criteria.

 

 Jannik Sinner ; Lorenzo Musetti ; Matteo Arnaldi ; Luciano Darderi (Cobolli or Sonego instead of Darderi)

 Novak Djokovic ; Laslo Djere ; Miomir Kecmanovic ; Dusan Lajovic

 Carlos Alcaraz ; Rafael Nadal (PR) ; Pablo Carreño Busta (PR) ; Alejandro Davidovich Fokina

 Daniil Medvedev ; Andrey Rublev ; Karen Khachanov ; Roman Safiullin

 Alex De Minaur ; Jordan Thompson ; Alexei Popyrin ; Christopher O´Connell

 Taylor Fritz ; Tommy Paul ; Sebastian Korda ; Frances Tiafoe

 Ugo Humbert ; Gael Monfils ; Arthur Fils ; Corentin Moutet

 Sebastian Baez ; Francisco Cerundolo ; Mariano Navone ; Tomas Etcheverry

 Alexander Zverev ; Jan-Lennard Struff ; Dominik Koepfer

 Cameron Norrie ; Jack Draper ; Daniel Evans

 Alexander Bublik ; Alexander Shevchenko

 Nicolas Jarry ; Alejandro Tabilo

 Jiri Lehecka ; Tomas Machac

 Fabian Marozsan ; Marton Fucsovics

 Hubert Hurkacz

 Stefanos Tsitsipas

 Casper Ruud

 Holger Rune

 Felix Auger-Aliassime

 Tallon Griekspoor

 Nuno Borges

 Sebastian Ofner

 Thiago Seyboth Wild

 Emil Ruusuvuori

 

8 Spots Remaining:

 

2 Legacy WC (probably  Andy Murray and  Stan Wawrinka)

1 Universality Spot (most likely  Valentin Vacherot)

1 Host Nation Quota (Reallocated to  Daniel Altmaier / Maximilian Marterer or  Jakub Mensik)

African Champion  Moez Echargui

Asian Champion  Zhizhen Zhang

PanAmerican Games Silver and Bronze Medallist  Tomas Barrios Vera and  Thiago Monteiro (Gold Medallist ARG Facundo Diaz Acosta quota reallocated to Monteiro because of the max 4 per country rule)

 

 

Next in Ranking in case of withdraws:

 

(1) -  Daniel Altmaier or Maximilian Marterer (in case of making at least QF or SF in this week Heilbronn Challenger or finishing ahead Marterer)

(1)-  Jakub Mensik

2-  Zizou Bergs

3-  Taro Daniel

(4)-  Maximilian Marterer (if Altmaier dont finish ahead of him)

5-  Borna Coric

6-  Stan Wawrinka

7-  Juncheng Shang

8-  Andy Murray

9-  Botic van de Zandschulp

10-  Sumit Nagal

Next - Nishioka, Galan, Goffin, Vacherot, Garin, Shapovalov, Kovalik, Kopriva, Dzumhur

 

May use Protected Ranking:

 

 Marin Cilic (direct quota)

 Denis Shapovalov (direct quota)

 Kei Nishikori (direct quota)

 Kwon Soon-woo (below Mensik in Next in Ranking for possible reallocation)

 

Players who are qualified and either withdraw or dont meet the elegibility criteria:

 

 Grigor Dimitrov (Davis Cup criteria)

 Ben Shelton (Withdraw)

 Adrian Mannarino (Withdraw)

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Do we have any official indication that Dimitrov is out (as in the case of Mertens)? thanks!!