Boxing WB World Championships 2025

[JoshMartini007 2,860]

2 minutes ago, copravolley said:

It depends on which path Cuba would take: for example, the path of Brazil or Venezuela/Haiti. It could go either way. It depends on who comes to power there and how powerful they are. Paradoxically, before Castro's revolution, Cuba was one of the richest country in the region: yes, the USA had a lot of influence there, but the country was not poor or bankrupt.

It's not about whether Cuba would be rich/poor. Communist nations spent more on sport in order to make their nation (and communism as a whole) appear strong. Once that disappeared, their strength dropped over the next decade.

[copravolley 639]

2 minutes ago, JoshMartini007 said:

It's not about whether Cuba would be rich/poor. Communist nations spent more on sport in order to make their nation (and communism as a whole) appear strong. Once that disappeared, their strength dropped over the next decade.

There's some truth to this, but unfortunately, Cuba is now still poor and increasingly weaker in sports, and that won't change anytime soon. Poland, for example, is rich enough to invest more in sports and win a large number of medals. Cuba no longer has that option- it has no choice.

[George_D 1,638]

39 minutes ago, copravolley said:

In the first years after reunification, Germany was very strong until the late 1990s (you can see the medal table of Summer OG 1992) but only later did they weaken, but I don't know why. On paper, Germany should be better than the UK and France, not to mention Italy (I'm referring to economic factors, GDP, and population). It seems to me that Germany has recently been investing more heavily in winter sports, where it is the largest powerhouse alongside Norway and the USA.

well  had also the steroids as their weapon.. 

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4 minutes ago, George_D said:

well  had also the steroids as their weapon.. 

The DDR used steroids more than, for example, other countries from the Eastern camp, with the exception of the USSR perhaps?

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I like this old Soviet song

[mpjmcevoy 377]

11 hours ago, copravolley said:

The DDR used steroids more than, for example, other countries from the Eastern camp, with the exception of the USSR perhaps?

Yes, they did. Boosting GDR was more important to the Communist project than any nation other than the USSR itself because it was seen as in direct competition with West Germany, a flagbearer in the non-Slavic space in Europe. we no from the files that GDR brought an astonishing level of science, discipline and ruthlessness to the issue, and led the world in sport science both legitimate and illegitimate - and to hell iwth the health consequences, especially for the girls who, being female, were superresponders to oral testosterone.

 

Indeed, it's always a bit of a giveaway that a state sponsored, or at least state encouraged system of professional doping based on testosterone is in place if there is a sudden across the board rise in results for a nation's girls, but not nearly as obvious for their boys - See the sudden rise in Russian girls swimming at the european juniors in the years leading up to their being caught at Sochi for an excellent example (say 2010 to 2016) - from middling to utter domination in a few years, but ony dominating the girls.

 

The tells on blood doping and EPO, etc are rather different and less sex skewed - plus less evidence of government pushing it - but tend to entail a sudden simultaneous rise in pure endurance athletes in the pool, on the track and on the bike.

[phelps 8,687]

haven't followed a single second of this "thing"

 

I'm just watching the final medal table right now and I see that, out of 10 men's weight classes,  have won 6 gold medals and  4     

 

if before it was a suspect, now it's a fact: WB = IBA (AIBA) = rigged farce more than ever, boxing is just something else, it has nothing to do with this 

[copravolley 639]

1 minute ago, phelps said:

haven't followed a single second of this "thing"

 

I'm just watching the final medal table right now and I see that, out of 10 men's weight classes,  have won 6 gold medals and  4     

 

if before it was a suspect, now it's a fact: WB = IBA (AIBA) = rigged farce more than ever, boxing is just something else, it has nothing to do with this 

So Uzb/Kaz gets everything that Russia should have won + their own share

[George_D 1,638]

3 minutes ago, phelps said:

haven't followed a single second of this "thing"

 

I'm just watching the final medal table right now and I see that, out of 10 men's weight classes,  have won 6 gold medals and  4     

 

if before it was a suspect, now it's a fact: WB = IBA (AIBA) = rigged farce more than ever, boxing is just something else, it has nothing to do with this 

So nothing changed. It was supposed that IBA was corrupt and the new body was created as a result of that

Edited September 15, 2025 by George_D

[copravolley 639]

Just now, George_D said:

So nothing changed. It supposed that IBA was corrupt and the new body was created as a result of that

There was once a film about Borat of Kazakhstan This is how I imagine someone corrupting those judges in Olympic boxing