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Ski Jumping FIS Ski Flying World Championships 2018


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Ski Jumping FIS Ski Flying World Championships 2018

 

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Official Schedule
Central European Time (GMT +1)
Olympic Event Final | Non-Olympic Event Final


Thursday, January 18th
13:30 Men's Individual Ski Flying Training

Friday, January 19th
14:30 Men's Individual Ski Flying Qualification
15:00 Men's Individual Ski Flying Trial Round
16:00 Men's Individual Ski Flying Final, Day 1


Saturday, January 20th
15:00 Men's Individual Ski Flying Trial Round
16:00 Men's Individual Ski Flying Final, Day 2


Sunday, January 21st
15:00 Men's Team Ski Flying Trial Round
16:00 Men's Team Ski Flying Final

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Men's Individual Ski Flying
Non-Olympic Event

Qualification Results
The Top 40 Athletes will qualify for the Final

 

Rank
Athletes
Nation
Jump 1
Jump 2
Result
1
TANDE Daniel Andre
NOR.gif
238.5
-
222.1
2
STOCH Kamil
POL.gif
232.0
-
210.7
3
STJERNEN Andreas
NOR.gif
217.0
-
210.1
4
HULA Stefan
POL.gif
217.0
-
208.2
5
KRAFT Stefan
AUT.gif
217.0
-
203.7
6
FREITAG Richard
GER.gif
219.5
-
201.5
7
AMMANN Simon
SUI.gif
214.5
-
193.6
8
SEMENIC Anze
SLO.gif
209.0
-
193.2
8
KUBACKI Dawid
POL.gif
211.5
-
193.2
10
JOHANSSON Robert
NOR.gif
211.5
-
192.6
11
DAMJAN Jernej
SLO.gif
209.5
-
188.3
12
KASAI Noriaki
JPN.gif
201.0
-
185.0
13
PREVC Peter
SLO.gif
200.5
-
184.7
14
ZYLA Piotr
POL.gif
201.5
-
182.5
15
FORFANG Johann Andre
NOR.gif
204.5
-
- 181.9
16
WELLINGER Andreas
GER.gif
198.5
-
180.9
17
POPPINGER Manuel
AUT.gif
199.0
-
179.2
18
HAYBOECK Michael
AUT.gif
189.5
-
177.6
19
EISENBICHLER Markus
GER.gif
197.5
-
176.6
20
LEYHE Stephan
GER.gif
195.5
-
175.2
21
BICKNER Kevin
USA.gif
201.0
-
175.0
22
KOBAYASHI Ryoyu
JPN.gif
199.5
-
174.3
23
VASSILIEV Dimitry
RUS.gif
197.0
-
171.3
24
BARTOL Tilen
SLO.gif
189.0
-
164.6
25
KOBAYASHI Junshiro
JPN.gif
192.5
-
163.9
26
ROMASHOV Alexey
RUS.gif
190.0
-
160.9
27
AIGNER Clemens
AUT.gif
183.5
-
158.7
28
KORNILOV Denis
RUS.gif
182.5
-
155.5
29
INSAM Alex
ITA.gif
184.5
-
153.9
30
COLLOREDO Sebastian
ITA.gif
180.0
-
149.9
31
BOYD-CLOWES Mackenzie
CAN.gif
185.5
-
146.8
32
AHONEN Janne
FIN.gif
177.5
-
142.8
33
PREVC Domen
SLO.gif
163.5
-
142.7
34
SCHULER Andreas
SUI.gif
170.0
-
134.4
35
AALTO Antti
FIN.gif
157.5
-
134.3
36
DESCHWANDEN Gregor
SUI.gif
168.5
-
132.8
37
NAZAROV Mikhail
RUS.gif
150.0
-
128.7
38
GLASDER Michael
USA.gif
161.5
-
128.2
39
DESCOMBES SEVOIE Vincent
FRA.gif
162.0
-
125.6
40
NOUSIAINEN Eetu
FIN.gif
154.0
-
118.8
41
PEIER Killian
SUI.gif
151.0
-
113.4
42
RHOADS William
USA.gif
147.5
-
108.6
43
KOZISEK Cestmir
CZE.gif
124.0
-
88.7
44
ZHAPAROV Marat
KAZ.gif
125.0
-
81.3
45
SOKOLENKO Konstantin
KAZ.gif
111.0
-
70.1
46
BRESADOLA Davide
ITA.gif
112.0
-
66.3
  MAEAETTAE Jarkko
FIN.gif
-
-
DNS
  NOMME Martti
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-
-
DNS
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Men's Individual Ski Flying
Non-Olympic Event

Final Results

 

NOR.gif TANDE Daniel Andre
651.9212.0+227.0+200.0+-

 

POL.gif STOCH Kamil
638.6230.0+219.0+211.5+-

 

GER.gif FREITAG Richard
627.6228.0+225.0+190.5+-

 

Rank
Athletes
Nation
Jump 1
Jump 2
Jump 3
Jump 4
Result
4
KRAFT Stefan
AUT.gif
218.0
208.5
206.0
-
608.4
5
STJERNEN Andreas
NOR.gif
193.0
203.0
223.5
-
606.9
6
PREVC Peter
SLO.gif
222.5
199.0
218
-
600.1
7
WELLINGER Andreas
GER.gif
206.0
207.0
213.0
-
599.7
8
FORFANG Johann Andre
NOR.gif
207.0
207.5
225.5
-
599.2
9
JOHANSSON Robert
NOR.gif
204.0
213.5
201.0
-
599.0
10
KUBACKI Dawid
POL.gif
207.5
208.0
215.5
-
589.8
11
EISENBICHLER Markus
GER.gif
197.5
205.5
203.0
-
560.1
12
AMMANN Simon
SUI.gif
203.5
177.0
207.5
-
559.2
13
HULA Stefan
POL.gif
193.0
196.5
192.5
-
550.0
14
SEMENIC Anze
SLO.gif
214.5
178.0
186.0
-
538.8
15
DAMJAN Jernej
SLO.gif
216.0
174.5
197.5
-
533.8
16
KOBAYASHI Ryoyu
JPN.gif
207.5
205.5
165.5
-
528.4
17
ZYLA Piotr
POL.gif
190.0
183.5
198.5
-
525.8
18
AIGNER Clemens
AUT.gif
202.0
181.5
194.5
-
524.5
19
KORNILOV Denis
RUS.gif
188.0
183.5
191.0
-
509.6
20
LEYHE Stephan
GER.gif
183.5
197.5
184.5
-
502.9
21
PREVC Domen
SLO.gif
179.5
187.5
192.5
-
501.1
22
AHONEN Janne
FIN.gif
182.0
194.5
192.0
-
500.0
23
POPPINGER Manuel
AUT.gif
187.0
195.5
177.5
-
498.0
24
BICKNER Kevin
USA.gif
201.5
167.0
181.0
-
494.3
25
KASAI Noriaki
JPN.gif
218.5
123.5
209.0
-
493.6
26
ROMASHOV Alexey
RUS.gif
184.0
191.0
168.5
-
455.5
27
INSAM Alex
ITA.gif
174.5
185.0
159.5
-
443.4
28
COLLOREDO Sebastian
ITA.gif
159.0
184.0
191.5
-
439.0
29
KOBAYASHI Junshiro
JPN.gif
171.5
169.0
165.0
-
408.7
30
NAZAROV Mikhail
RUS.gif
160.5
161.0
175.0
-
396.6
31
HAYBOECK Michael
AUT.gif
171.5
-
-
-
126.0
32
AALTO Antti
FIN.gif
160.0
-
-
-
117.6
33
VASSILIEV Dimitry
RUS.gif
159.0
-
-
-
113.5
34
DESCHWANDEN Gregor
SUI.gif
150.5
-
-
-
111.8
35
NOUSIAINEN Eetu
FIN.gif
161.0
-
-
-
111.4
36
BOYD-CLOWES Mackenzie
CAN.gif
147.0
-
-
-
102.3
37
SCHULER Andreas
SUI.gif
141.5
-
-
-
98.1
38
GLASDER Michael
USA.gif
140.0
-
-
-
95.9
39
BARTOL Tilen
SLO.gif
144.0
-
-
-
95.3
40
DESCOMBES SEVOIE Vincent
FRA.gif
133.0
-
-
-
79.7
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Men's Team Ski Flying
Non-Olympic Event

Final Results

 

NOR.gif Norway
JOHANSSON Robert219.5+218.0
STJERNEN Andreas231.0+208.0
FORFANG Johann Andre214.0+217.0
TANDE Daniel Andre224.0+202.5

1662.2

 

SLO.gif Slovenia
DAMJAN Jernej212.0+220.0
SEMENIC Anze207.5+220.5
PREVC Domen214.0+216.0
PREVC Peter202.0+193.0

1615.8

 

POL.gif Poland
ZYLA Piotr212.5+204.0
HULA Stefan206.0+210.0
KUBACKI Dawid204.5+221.5
STOCH Kamil209.5+204.0

1592.1

 

Rank
Athletes
Nation
Jump 1
Jump 2
Result
4
WELLINGER Andreas
LEYHE Stephan
EISENBICHLER Markus
FREITAG Richard
GER.gif
226.0
200.0
200.0
221.5
212.0
186.5
210.5
216.5
1581.2
5
AIGNER Clemens
POPPINGER Manuel
HAYBOECK Michael
KRAFT Stefan
AUT.gif
200.0
194.5
187.0
200.0
202.0
208.0
212.0
202.0
1488.8
6
SCHULER Andreas
PEIER Killian
DESCHWANDEN Gregor
AMMANN Simon
SUI.gif
172.0
175.5
183.0
201.0
193.0
176.5
190.5
216.5
1350.6
7
ROMASHOV Alexey
NAZAROV Mikhail
KORNILOV Denis
VASSILIEV Dimitry
RUS.gif
176.5
167.0
191.0
206.0
188.5
172.5
176.0
191.5
1283.2
8
AALTO Antti
MAEAETTAE Jarkko
NOUSIAINEN Eetu
AHONEN Janne
FIN.gif
177.0
172.0
177.0
190.0
184.0
174.5
180.0
189.0
1262.2
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Final Medal Count

 

Rank
Nation
Gold
Silver
Bronze
Total
1
NOR.gif Norway
2
0
0
2
2
POL.gif Poland
0
1
1
2
3
SLO.gif Slovenia
0
1
0
1
4
GER.gif Germany
0
0
1
1
Total
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to PyeongChang 2018
2
2
2
6


 

Final Medal Count Olympic Events Only

 

Rank
Nation
Gold
Silver
Bronze
Total
Total
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to PyeongChang 2018
0
0
0
0
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2, Biathlon - 3, Bobsleigh - 12, Cross-Country Skiing - 6, Curling - 10, Figure Skating - 6, Freestyle Skiing - 23, Luge - 5, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 10, Skeleton - 5, Ski Jumping - 4, Ski Mountaineering - 2, Snowboarding - 18, Speed Skating - 16)  Hong Kong: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Short Track - 1)  India: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Iran: 4 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Japan: 124 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Curling - 5, Figure Skating - 12, Freestyle Skiing - 19, Ice Hockey - 23, Luge - 1, Nordic Combined - 3, Short Track - 9, Skeleton - 2, Ski Jumping - 8, Snowboarding - 19, Speed Skating - 14)  Kazakhstan: 35 (-7) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 2, Freestyle Skiing - 10, Nordic Combined - 1, Short Track - 4, Ski Jumping - 2, Speed Skating - 5)  Kyrgyzstan: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Lebanon: 3 (+2) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Malaysia: 1 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1)  Mongolia: 3 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Philippines: 1 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1)  Saudi Arabia: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Singapore: 1 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1)  South Korea: 72 (+10) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 2, Bobsleigh - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Curling - 7, Figure Skating - 6, Freestyle Skiing - 6, Luge - 1, Short Track - 10, Skeleton - 4, Snowboarding - 12, Speed Skating - 9)  Taiwan: 8 (+2) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Bobsleigh - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2, Figure Skating - 1, Speed Skating - 1)  Thailand: 3 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  United Arab Emirates: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2)  Uzbekistan: 4 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Figure Skating - 2, Short Track - 1)   Europe (47 nations)    Albania: 4 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 4)  Andorra: 7 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 3)  Armenia: 5 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Figure Skating - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Austria: 112 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 22, Biathlon - 9, Bobsleigh - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 1, Freestyle Skiing - 14, Luge - 11, Nordic Combined - 3, Short Track - 1, Skeleton - 3, Ski Jumping - 8, Ski Mountaineering - 2, Snowboarding - 17, Speed Skating - 4)  Azerbaijan: 1 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Figure Skating - 1)  Belgium: 31 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Biathlon - 8, Bobsleigh - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1, Figure Skating - 2, Short Track - 6, Skeleton - 1, Ski Mountaineering - 1, Snowboarding - 1, Speed Skating - 6)  Bosnia and Herzegovina: 6 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Cross-Country Skiing - 2, Luge - 1)  Bulgaria: 20 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Biathlon - 8, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 1, Ski Jumping - 1, Snowboarding - 4)  Croatia: 13 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 6, Biathlon - 3, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Short Track - 1)  Cyprus: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2)  Czech Republic: 110 (-11) (Alpine Skiing - 5, Biathlon - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 11, Curling - 7, Figure Skating - 4, Freestyle Skiing - 5, Ice Hockey - 48, Luge - 1, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 1, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 4, Snowboarding - 9, Speed Skating - 3)  Denmark: 41 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 3, Bobsleigh - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1, Curling - 5, Ice Hockey - 25, Skeleton - 1, Speed Skating - 3)  Estonia: 31 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 8, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Curling - 2, Figure Skating - 2, Freestyle Skiing - 3, Nordic Combined - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 2, Snowboarding - 1, Speed Skating - 1)  Finland: 100 (-2) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Biathlon - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 15, Figure Skating - 5, Freestyle Skiing - 8, Ice Hockey - 48, Nordic Combined - 2, Ski Jumping - 6, Snowboarding - 2)  France: 158 (+6) (Alpine Skiing - 15, Biathlon - 12, Bobsleigh - 6, Cross-Country Skiing - 14, Figure Skating - 9, Freestyle Skiing - 19, Ice Hockey - 48, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 6, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 6, Ski Mountaineering - 4, Snowboarding - 10, Speed Skating - 6)  Georgia: 8 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Figure Skating - 6)  Germany: 189 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 11, Biathlon - 11, Bobsleigh - 18, Cross-Country Skiing - 13, Curling - 5, Figure Skating - 6, Freestyle Skiing - 13, Ice Hockey - 48, Luge - 12, Nordic Combined - 3, Skeleton - 6, Ski Jumping - 8, Ski Mountaineering - 3, Snowboarding - 19, Speed Skating - 13)  Great Britain: 59 (+3) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Biathlon - 2, Bobsleigh - 9, Cross-Country Skiing - 4, Curling - 10, Figure Skating - 8, Freestyle Skiing - 8, Short Track - 3, Skeleton - 5, Snowboarding - 5, Speed Skating - 1)  Greece: 5 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 3)  Hungary: 16 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 4, Figure Skating - 2, Short Track - 6, Snowboarding - 1, Speed Skating - 1)  Iceland: 4 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Ireland: 6 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2, Freestyle Skiing - 2)  Israel: 9 (+5) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Bobsleigh - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 1, Figure Skating - 1, Skeleton - 1)  Italy: 187 (-4) (Alpine Skiing - 20, Biathlon - 10, Bobsleigh - 8, Cross-Country Skiing - 12, Curling - 10, Figure Skating - 9, Freestyle Skiing - 9, Ice Hockey - 48, Luge - 11, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 10, Skeleton - 3, Ski Jumping - 7, Ski Mountaineering - 3, Snowboarding - 16, Speed Skating - 9)  Kosovo: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2)  Latvia: 67 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Biathlon - 8, Bobsleigh - 8, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 2, Ice Hockey - 25, Luge - 10, Short Track - 2, Skeleton - 2)  Liechtenstein: 8 (+4) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Bobsleigh - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Lithuania: 17 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 8, Cross-Country Skiing - 4, Figure Skating - 3)  Luxembourg: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2)  Malta: 1 (0) (Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Moldova: 5 (+1) (Biathlon - 3, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Monaco: 1 (-4) (Alpine Skiing - 1)  Montenegro: 2 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 1, Cross-Country Skiing - 1)  Netherlands: 42 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Bobsleigh - 4, Figure Skating - 2, Nordic Combined - 1, Short Track - 10, Skeleton - 1, Snowboarding - 4, Speed Skating - 18)  North Macedonia: 4 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Norway: 81 (-9) (Alpine Skiing - 16, Biathlon - 11, Cross-Country Skiing - 16, Curling - 7, Freestyle Skiing - 5, Nordic Combined - 3, Ski Jumping - 7, Ski Mountaineering - 3, Snowboarding - 3, Speed Skating - 10)  Poland: 55 (-5) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Biathlon - 8, Bobsleigh - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 4, Luge - 5, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 4, Ski Jumping - 5, Ski Mountaineering - 2, Snowboarding - 4, Speed Skating - 9)  Portugal: 4 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 1, Speed Skating - 1)  Romania: 28 (-6) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 6, Bobsleigh - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 1, Luge - 6, Ski Jumping - 4, Snowboarding - 2)    San Marino: 1 (NEW) (Alpine Skiing - 1)  Serbia: 4 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2)  Slovakia: 54 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Biathlon - 6, Bobsleigh - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 1, Ice Hockey - 25, Luge - 8, Short Track - 1, Ski Jumping - 1, Ski Mountaineering - 3)  Slovenia: 38 (-3) (Alpine Skiing - 9, Biathlon - 9, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Nordic Combined - 2, Ski Jumping - 7, Snowboarding - 4)  Spain: 19 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 5, Ski Mountaineering - 4, Snowboarding - 4, Speed Skating - 1)  Sweden: 115 (-1) (Alpine Skiing - 9, Biathlon - 12, Cross-Country Skiing - 16, Curling - 11, Figure Skating - 1, Freestyle Skiing - 15, Ice Hockey - 48, Luge - 2, Ski Jumping)  Switzerland: 179 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 22, Biathlon - 10, Bobsleigh - 18, Cross-Country Skiing - 12, Curling - 11, Figure Skating - 3, Freestyle Skiing - 21, Ice Hockey - 48, Luge - 1, Nordic Combined - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 5, Ski Mountaineering - 4, Snowboarding - 18, Speed Skating - 3)  Türkiye: 8 (+1) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 2, Short Track - 2, Ski Jumping - 2)  Ukraine: 44 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Biathlon - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 6, Figure Skating - 1, Freestyle Skiing - 9, Luge - 8, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 2, Snowboarding - 1)   Oceania (3 nations)    Australia: 54 (-3) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Bobsleigh - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 4, Freestyle Skiing - 16, Luge - 1, Short Track - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Mountaineering - 2, Snowboarding - 14)  New Zealand: 20 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Freestyle Skiing - 10, Snowboarding - 6)  Vanuatu: 1 (0) (Freestyle Skiing - 1)   Other (1 nation)    Individual Neutral Athletes: 17 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 3, Freestyle Skiing - 1, Luge - 2, Short Track - 2, Ski Mountaineering - 1, Speed Skating - 3)    Refugee Olympic Team: 1 (NEW) (Biathlon - 1)
    • Road to Junior World Championship International Test Matches   Tuesday 23rd December, 2025 ---------------------------------   -   1-3  -   2-13  -   3-7
    • Decent team, on european level ofc. In a normal tournament would certainly be a Quarterfinal contender.   In a NHL level gonna be, hard slash impossible, to keep the rhythm for the guys though, but definitely a nice roster on a WCh level for sure.   Nice satisfaction for Bellemare, one great last dance for this huge hockey legend. Fully deserved. He and Da Costa + Texier have possibilities to provide something and surprise some defences also in Milano.
    • Of all the valid points one can make, I'd say someone's mastery of the English language shouldn't really be one on an international forum like this. I think at least 80% of us don't have English as native language, and there's logically going to be a difference in levels.   Again, not disagreeing with the actual contents of what you and people here are saying, but attacking one's language skills (other than an innocent joke here or there, for which this isn't exactly the right place of discussion I assume) feels unnecessary and kind of takes away from the actual content
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