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  On 2/11/2022 at 10:54 AM, rybak said:

If Russia will be banned again then the next Games should be cancelled until Russia will can start under their own flag.

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Why. Their mass Doping and won’t efer stoped until expelled.

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I think the IOC will have to push for Russia to be permanently expelled from the IOC. They might not be able to get it past CAS but they will be too much pressure for them to not at least try.

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  On 8/20/2021 at 11:19 AM, heywoodu said:

He could try and go the Virginia Fuchs/Laurence Vincent-Lapointe way, considering the contaminated batch and/or cancer medicine in the pasta sauce defenses probably won't hold with a variety of different substances  

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Apparently the substances are all fairly similar chemically  and would be able to be taken in one dose.

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  On 8/20/2021 at 5:31 AM, Grassmarket said:

According to the UK press there has not been a second test yet.  He’s going with the old favourite “mislabelled/contaminated batch” defense, which has never worked for anyone not directly employed by Nike.

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I’m actually wondering if he will go with poisoning instead if contaminated supplements can’t be proven.  

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  On 8/19/2021 at 6:49 PM, Monzanator said:

Varvara Lepchenko (tennis) has been provisionally suspended today (andrafinili & modafinil). She's 35yo so probably tried to stiff-arm Father Time

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Not her first positive test as she tested positive for Melodonium in 2016. 

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If he was able to persuade a lot of the public through that he was a victim of contamination or even poisoning it could make him and the others seen as martyrs who lost due to poor labelling in a Japanese factory or an anti British plot. 

Back during the last Winter Olympics one of the BBC presenters described Alan Baxter who lost his medal as having it still in spirit. 

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  On 8/14/2021 at 5:30 PM, De_Gambassi said:

Hope you're right. I'm so tired of these made-up excuses every fucking time...

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Shubenkov is the oddest. How as a Russian he managed to get off and even get an apology I don’t know. 

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  On 8/14/2021 at 5:14 PM, De_Gambassi said:

 

Are you sure about that (unfortunately) ? 

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Well it might get his ban reduced from 4 to 2 if he provides the supplements and he can prove they were contaminated with both substances but it won’t save his teammates medal or his chance of representing GB again without further legal action. 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/58216873
 

Ujah finally speaks and effectively tells us we looking at a contamination or poisoning defence which will fail. Can’t see many in Britain backing him at all considering the Times has done a no smoke without fire article today on some of his teammates and anyone backing him will get that treatment. 

 

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https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1109434/sun-sights-on-paris-2024-doping-ban

I suspect the last thing FINA want is him swimming at Paris. 

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The times have found a link between Blessing Okagbare and CJ Ujah.

 

 

Insusoect this will see more than one CAS case - the lifetime ban on representing GB is bound to be challenged as it was previously and there is no evidence CAS has changed it’s views on the issue.

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  On 8/13/2021 at 6:56 PM, phelps said:

yes, that substance (ostarine) is the new frontier of steroids, because it has (almost) the same effectivity, but without many of those really dangerous collateral effects that "natural" steroids (not to mention chemical derivates) have...

 

also in Italy many athletes have been caught in the last couple of years (most notable name, Alex Di Giorgio, former swimmer of the Italian National team)...

 

and I think we're gonna see many more in the next future...

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https://swimswam.com/news/coronavirus-news/
 

He pulled a contamination defence. 

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  On 8/13/2021 at 6:45 PM, heywoodu said:

Good luck to Ujah though, since he tested positive for this and something else  

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Apparently they both prettysimilar in terms of formation could realistically exist in one substance (so might well have been taken together in one product) - which means you could just about claim double contamination which while being unsuccessful is only on the level of some other recent defences that have been tried and dismissed but without sounding entirely fictional. 

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  On 8/13/2021 at 6:22 PM, vinipereira said:

This substance seems to be in high "demand" as two brazilians got caught recently: Fernanda Borges (discus throw, only got a 2 months suspension and was allowed to compete in Tokyo to dismal results), and Tandara (volleyball, also competed at the Games and was suspended after QF, will also allege "unintentional use" but won't get any help from the brazilian committee).

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Imagine if we find out Tandara and Ujah got it from the same source. 
 

 

One of the British papers is bound to try and imply he was poisoned by Italy or Russia or China or any random country. It feels the obvious route the press will go down. I mean the daily Mail article on Ujah calls the investigation into Jacobs a doping probe. 
 

 

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Many banned substances in shooting are in competition only or would only really be effective in competition even if banned all the time round. There are few out of competition stories of Doping

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The issue is that in the countries with rewards for winning is that there is less funding for those who don’t win. 

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  On 8/13/2021 at 11:41 AM, De_Gambassi said:

That's actually a better argument

 

But really, even when we do know that the players were doping (ie Juve at the end of the 90's and thus the french football team of 98), people just don't care. Football is too big of a toy to be break up.

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Neither of those are even on Wiki which shows how disinterested people are. 
 

 

I do feel through a big scandal in football will come this decade - not sure what Country through.

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  On 8/13/2021 at 11:41 AM, De_Gambassi said:

That's actually a better argument

 

But really, even when we do know that the players were doping (ie Juve at the end of the 90's and thus the french football team of 98), people just don't care. Football is too big of a toy to be break up.

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Neither of those are even on Wiki which shows how disinterested people are. 
 

 

I do feel through a big scandal in football will come this decade - not sure what Country through. 

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  On 8/13/2021 at 10:55 AM, De_Gambassi said:

That's the good old rope: footballers don't dope because this is all about 'talent' 

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I suspect with footballers the clubs don’t actually tell the players what they doping them with. Too many Footballers are too stupid to be able to be trusted to keep doping secret forever more. 

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  On 8/13/2021 at 10:55 AM, De_Gambassi said:

That's the good old rope: footballers don't dope because this is all about 'talent' 

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I suspect with footballers the clubs don’t actually tell the players what they doping them with. Too many Footballers are too stupid to be able to be trusted to keep doping secret forever more. 

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Some interesting articles which tells us what Ujah’s defence is going to ( almost certainly going to fail) be.

 

https://www.usada.org/athlete-advisory/growing-evidence-ostarine-athlete-risk/
https://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/trouble-ostarine-jimmy-wallheads-story/

https://www.bscg.org/ostarine-a-banned-substance-in-sport-and-illegal-dietary-supplement-ingredient/

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  On 8/13/2021 at 9:25 AM, heywoodu said:

Like what, checkers and competitive eating?

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I mean in many of sports doping might give a bit of strength advantage but you still need to very talanted to stand a chance - you can’t go like Michelle Smith and go from obscurity to multiple champion in many sports just by doping. 

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The times will keep digging. 

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And everyone in the UK suspects Sky sold up due to the doping stories affecting their reputation. Considering Ineos as a company are not overtly popular further doping stories  (and actual stories relating to current activities and not just speculation or rumours without some evidence) could be very damaging to them.

 

Through the British Press  care less now as they now fully spereate from the Manchester based team and UKAD have less jurisdiction over them 

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  On 8/12/2021 at 11:19 PM, Monzanator said:

Ineos has a budget of 50 million GBP. I doubt Team UAE has a bigger one especially that the emirates seem more invested in football and Formula 1 than cycling (which is way more expensive). The Arsenal sponsorship money would buy Ineos five times over. Yeah, the oil sheiks have the money but also know how to spend them. And cycling will never be their priority.

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That will surely change now they have won it twice on the trot and it’s another way to help promote their image to a section of society more educated and wealthy than a lot of football fans.