Gymnastics - Artistic Discussion | Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Los Angeles 2028 Road to LA 2028

[Illya 585]

16 minutes ago, copravolley said:

I think that he isn`t such a well-known figure as Olga Kharlan, Klitschko, or formerly Shevchenko to cause a big scandal. Secondly, these are still isolated cases for now, similar to the situation of athletes from Russia in other countries, e.g. Kasatkina in tennis.

Well, that's our powerhouses, but the truth is that he was supposed to be our new Verniaiev and now that this failed it caused you drama

[copravolley 498]

7 minutes ago, Illya said:

Well, that's our powerhouses, but the truth is that he was supposed to be our new Verniaiev and now that this failed it caused you drama

In Italy, the case of Lara Colturi was recently widely discussed and it will probably come back if she wins a medal in Cortina and our Brignone does not return on time. I do not support this myself and I am sorry that someone chooses another country for personal and economic reasons, with which they had no previous ties. Colturi is now 19 years old and some people also ask not to attack her because she is very young and it is her mother's fault.

[copravolley 498]

59 minutes ago, BruT06 said:

First of all,this is a topic about artistic gymnastics. Second of all,Kovtun had 21 last summer when he won Olympic silver medal at parallel bars with score more than 15. In gymnastics,every score more than 15 is excellent. 

Just relax man, ok? Would you be happy if, for example, Janica Kostelic took Italian citizenship 20 years ago and started skiing for us? Exactly... Point of view always depends on the point of sitting...

Edited June 10 by copravolley

[Biathlonfan 792]

LOL,people acting like athletes are country property and don't have reasons to make their own decisions in 2025 is hiliarous to me.

[copravolley 498]

They can make such decisions, but they have to expect that they will be criticized for it. Colturi still lives in Italy, trains most days of the year in our centers, has an entire Italian team around him but competes in the colors of a country with which he has no ties on the past. For me, however, national colors are not a sports club, that you can change them. And just to be clear, I don`t mean people who, for example, have a mother from one country and a father from another, like Braathen in men's skiing.

Edited June 10 by copravolley

[Biathlonfan 792]

didn't see where it was said that the ukrainian guy complained about it,and anyway yes personal and economic reasons are  perfectly valid reasons to choose another country as far as i'm concerned,athletes are not robots,they also need to get paid and be able to eat and live,some countries will be able to suply that better than others,cuban athletics in particular has many such problems,other countries will pull in athletes for money because what they have nationally doesn't cut it,all perfectly legal in the sport world,i remember as a child being upset about Donata rimšaite's flip to Russia and all the controversy about that,it took me a bit but i realized that it was ultimately dumb for me to be mad and that she had every right to leave an enviroment that was absolutely toxic for her.i don't know how it was for this guy but i don't think just because a war is going on means that your sport career MUST be put on hold or remain stagnant if there are better options available,that's just my thinking,in the end we do not pay these people's bills so i don't see a reason for the outrage,nationalism alone doesn't cut it for me here.

Edited June 10 by Biathlonfan

[Illya 585]

5 minutes ago, Biathlonfan said:

didn't see where it was said that the ukrainian guy complained about it,and anyway yes personal and economic reasons are  perfectly valid reasons to choose another country as far as i'm concerned,athletes are not robots,they also need to get paid and be able to eat and live,some countries will be able to suplly that better than others,cuba has plenty such problems,other countries will pull in athletes for money becuase what they have nationally doesn't cut it,all perfectly legal in the sport world,i remember as a child being upset about Donata rimšaite's flip to Russia and all the controversy about that,it took me a bit but i realized that it was dumb and she had every right to leave an envirement that was absolutley toxic for her.i don't know how it was for this guy but i don't think just because a war is going on means that your sport career MUST be put on hold or remain stagnant if there are better options available,that's just my thinking,in the end we do not pay these people's blls so i don't see a reason for the outrage,nationalism alone doesn't cut it for me here.

No, you clearly didn't get my point. You can leave whatever you want, but make the reasoning valid and just say loud that you want more money and that's it, but don't blame our people of lack of your support at the Olympics

[copravolley 498]

I repeat once: fo me the national team is not a club that you can change whenever you want... That is why, for example, the attacks on Louis Figo once, because he moved from Barcelona to Real Madrid - very brutal attacks, were less justified than someone changing his passport to a country with which he has zero ties.

[copravolley 498]

8 minutes ago, Illya said:

No, you clearly didn't get my point. You can leave whatever you want, but make the reasoning valid and just say loud that you want more money and that's it, but don't blame our people of lack of your support at the Olympics

Paradoxically, Ukrainian gymnastics is now showing better results than before 2022, for example in rhythmic gymnastics. So, the federation is probably not that bad when you write before, as it`s able to provide good conditions for athletes in times of war? How do you explain that?

[Illya 585]

4 minutes ago, copravolley said:

Paradoxically, Ukrainian gymnastics is now showing better results than before 2022, for example in rhythmic gymnastics. So, the federation is probably not that bad when you write before, as it`s able to provide good conditions for athletes in times of war? How do you explain that?

Because of athletes obviously, and in artistic gymnastics we have huge problems because we didn't have a great all-arounder anymore and our buggest hope is 1-event specialist or 14-year-old junior, who didn't even start junior career now, so now, our gymnastics is a disaster and toxic place of rivalry and feuds between coaches