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Right, a few more details. AVROTROS offered several things to avoid a DQ, including Joost publicly apologizing, a talk between all parties involved (refused outright by the camera woman) and a joint statement with EBU. A small incident but even apologizing for that wasn't accepted.

There may still be a part of the story missing of course, but EBU has refused to give any information whatsoever, so for now we only have the AVROTROS statement to go on and that one tells the story of something that can barely even be called an incident. DQ for that is utterly ridiculous.

Apparently there has been no contact with the camera person after the incident (despite attempts to clear things up, she refused). So from what we now know, this seems to have been the situation: - Joost Klein performed in the semi's, then walked off stage rushing to the green room - There were deals not to film him (apparently a common thing) on the way there - Against those deals, he was being filmed - Repeated requests to stop filming were ignored - Joost then reacted with a 'threatening move' towards the camera (whatever that may be, perhaps a slight swing of the fist, but didn't hit anyone, possibly touched the camera) - Camera person complained about it, then quickly walked away and refused any contact to clear things up - Police was called because of that and in the end it was enough to disqualify him What the actual hell.

It was sort of the same as that Polish thing from a few years ago, with the lady and the stick

It reminded me (and others as well, I saw later) of the bathroom in the opening part of the first Saw movie

Shocking images have appeared of the threatening movement.

Statement from AVROTROS, after more than 24 hours we finally have some more clarity about what happened.

Definitely true, like when someone asked a nasty question to Eden Golan and he quickly got in between that with a jab towards that 'journalist' (and in defense of Eden), along the likes of 'in which way would her presence make things unsafe?!'.

Absolutely, but the videos will for sure be flying around everywhere

Maybe they'll DQ the Dutch crowd

Aren't the rumours there that there was a meeting between them and EBU (possibly last night already), but in the end they decided to participate anyway? No matter what, it'll definitely be worth watching, hard to imagine there will be no statement at all. The Dutch contingent of fans (3rd largest of all) are already planning a mass sing-along of Europapa when Joost was supposed to perform, and apparently the Norwegian fans are aboard now as well and the word is spreading quickly among the fans

I definitely hope this little moment isn't the (full) reason

Which anyway is by far the worst reason ever to reject competing

Yeah. I highly doubt Nikkie de Jager will present the Dutch votes with a nice cheery "it's been so great to watch the show!" and stuff like that

Oh I definitely liked Armenia Not sure it was necessarily 'good', but it was definitely nice and I was very glad they made it

Just pull an Armenia, Poland or Turkey and spread across every country for those sweet diaspora votes

For starters I want every country back that has participated (and still exists), the more the better

Alessandra Mele, Norway's participant from last year, has withdrawn from giving the Norwegian votes tonight.

Ireland was missing from the flag parade today, something was going on apparently. It's hard to read this and not think about the earlier reports about delegation members of Ireland and Spain being harrassed by Israeli delegation members...

Let's not pretend people 'made it political' this year. The best host's joke so far was when they said "and of course, entirely non-political". I assume that was actually meant as a joke

People in and around the Israeli delegation seem to have very much been on their worst behaviour, provoking left and right, saying this and that person shouldn't be allowed to breath, and so on. But this thing with Netherlands being DQ'ed doesn't seem to have anything to do with them, so Israel's misbehaviour (on several occassions) is a separate issue. Making Eurovision 2024 even more of a shitshow

I hope so Been my big favourite from the first time I heard it Especially if, outside of Israel getting the free war votes, the biggest challengers are Switzerland and France, which I found soooo....meh.