So, each NOC is eligible for a maximum of 18 athletes, right?
Does that mean can still qualify in WC1 from the European championships?
Yes, both and will go for those two European women's C1 quotas. It's the most stacked field at the European qualifiers in terms of top European canoeing nations because Europe is less dominant in that discipline.
There are two stories here for Hungarian canoeing:
On one hand we did well in the Olympic qualification, 15 quotas is an acceptable outcome and I think we will win the other 3 next year in Szeged.
On the other hand this is a disaster in terms of gold medals. ZERO gold medals in the Olympic events. Only one gold medal overall before the 5000m finals... Our gold medal favorites (Varga, Kopasz) lost and most of our medal favorites disappointed. A similar result in Paris would be seen as a disaster. The 3 gold medals of London, Rio and Tokyo are a distant memory at this point, the good days are over if we don't get our shit together.
And finally, for the men's C2, it's very simple. As the C2 is the largest boat in that discipline, everyone in the final is eligible for the C2 quotas. Only one boat will miss out on the qualification.
Two reallocation are possible in MC1:
If FUKSA, Martin (1993) wins the C2 quota, his C1 quota gets reallocated to next highest ranked eligible athlete
If wins their C2 quotas, their host quota in C1 gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete
Women's kayak is much easier because all 18 athletes in the WK2 final are eligible for the quotas, none of them were in the K4 boats that qualified.
Three reallocations are possible in WK1.
If JORGENSEN, Emma Aastrand (1996) wins the K2 quota, her K1 quota gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete.
If wins their K2 quotas, the host quota in K1 gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete
If wins 7 athlete quotas, their K1 quota gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete.
The next three eligible athletes in WK1 are...
GOVORCINOVIC, Anamaria (1997)
GEORGIEVA, Yoana (2002)
CONTRERAS, Isabel (1989) - Spain may reach 7 athlete quotas with this, so in that case the next best ranked eligible athlete is...
OLIVIER, Esti (1992)
The one thing I am not sure of is when the reallocation happens for nations that won more than 6 quotas in men's/women's kayak. For some reason the document of the Olympic qualification system doesn't specify it. It may only happen when the NOC confirms which athlete quotas they want to use up. But now that we don't have the K1 200, it should be quite obvious that Germany will take the K2 and K4 quotas while they give the K1 quota back.
When I look at this info. Especially men's K2 looks to me that all the boats in final A may have the quota. Respectively, and the whole crew got the quota in K4. Which means that even though they took medals, the quotas would be reallocated to the boats below but despite the reallocation, they will still participate in K4 at the games and they will also have the opportunity to participate in K2 event if they want, right?
Both Australians are eligible for the K2 quota because Green currently has a K1 athlete quota, not K4, while the other Australian wasn't in the K4 boat, I mixed them up because they have the same surname.
So these athletes in the men's K2 final are eligible for athlete quotas in that race:
SPICAR, Jakub (1993)
HAVEL, Daniel (1991)
DEL RIO, Adrian (2002)
FRANK, Felix (1993)
HILLER, Martin (2000)
OLIJNIK, Andrej (1987)
RIBEIRO, Joao (1989)
BAPTISTA, Messias (1999)
KOPASZ, Balint (1997)
VAN DER WESTHUYZEN, Jean (1998)
GREEN, Thomas (1999)
HOLPERT, Ervin (1986)
DRAGOSAVLJEVIC, Marko (1994)
So 13 athletes can take the K2 quotas and there are 12 quotas available in the race.
And if Green wins the K2 quota, his K1 quota will get reallocated to CUBELOS, Francisco (1992)
If Germany wins 7 athlete quotas, their K1 quota will get reallocated to the next athlete in K1, so either Cubelos or NATHELL, Martin (1995)
Oh wait... I think everyone in the men's K2 final already won the quotas by default. LOL
I mean, there are 18 athletes in the men's K2 final and only 12 of them can win quotas there as the other 6 athletes won quotas in K4. And the available athlete quotas in K2 is precisely 12. So the race for the men's K2 quotas is already over, I guess?
Nope, I made one mistake... There are two van der Westhuyzen, Pierre was in the K4 boat, while Jean is in the K2 boat. So we got 5 athletes who won quotas in K4, not 6.
Oh wait... I think everyone in the men's K2 final already won the quotas by default. LOL
I mean, there are 18 athletes in the men's K2 final and only 12 of them can win quotas there as the other 6 athletes won quotas in K4. And the available athlete quotas in K2 is precisely 12. So the race for the men's K2 quotas is already over, I guess?
Well, 5 out of the 9 boats in the final have at least one athlete who already qualified in the K4. Which means that the 7th placed will earn quotas via reallocation. Maybe even the 8th placed boat. The most extreme scenario is 6 athlete quota reallocation, in that case I think even the 9th placed boat wins quotas.
And on top of that if Green wins a quota in K2, his K1 quota will get reallocated to Cubelos.
Disaster for us in women's K2... not even B-final. Our entire women's team is just in terrible shape. It's one thing for us to not be as strong as in our most dominant era, but this is simply unacceptable. I think we will still win that K2 quota next year in Szeged with the help of a returning Kozák, but our current state is still depressing.
wins the B final of the C2 W 500m a small chance of reallocation?
In the old system they were filling up larger boats with reallocated quotas, but that's not the case in the new system, so I think there is no chance for a reallocation. They will have to win the quota at the European qualifiers.
Well, that's disappointing, Varga couldn't take the opportunity to win his first K1 1000 world title. Thankfully next year we will have both Kopasz and Varga in this race.
But if the K2 boat is made up of athletes already qualified through the K4/K1 boats or is made up of 1 new athlete and 1 already qualified athlete, then they would be able to use all three quotas?
Yes, I think that's the idea because that's exactly our plan in men's kayak. 4 athlete quotas in K4, +1 athlete quota in K2 (Kopasz) and +1 athlete quota in K1 (Varga).
let’s assume a country wins a K4 and K1 quota here at the WCH.
The same country wins a K2 quota at the continental qualifier.
i guess they have to give back the K1 quota but how does the reallocation work? Does the quota go to the next eligible NOC at WCH?
Yeah, I think that's how it works. The federation has to choose which quota they reject because they can't have 7 athlete quotas, and they will obviously choose K1, not K2, so the K1 quota gets reallocated to the next best placed unqualified athlete.
We will have 4 finals tomorrow in Olympic events, here are the athletes in them who already won quotas:
Men's C1 1000m
none, this is the first men's canoe Olympic final here
Men's K1 1000m
none, as you would expect there isn't really an overlap between this event and the K4 500m
Women's K1 500m
Csipes
Carrington
Novakovic
So this means that the 6 other athletes in Final A already won the athlete quotas.
Women's C2 500m
Cirilo Duboys
Jacome
So it's already guaranteed that Jensen will win an athlete quota in C1 due to the inevitable double-up. If both Spain and Cuba finish inside the Top8, Luzan wins a C1 quota. If all of Spain, Cuba and Ukraine finish inside the Top8, Borowska wins a C1 quota.
So, if by chance Lithuania qualifies in K2, we just lose the qualification spot by default, because Maldonis is already in our K4, and then if we want to send a K2 we'll have to requalify in continental championships with a different team member for the 2 available European spots??
You can keep one athlete quota if your other athlete in the K2 boat wasn't in the K4 boat. So you would have 5 athlete quotas and you can compete for the 6th in K1.
OLIVIER, Esti (1992)
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will go for those two European women's C1 quotas. It's the most stacked field at the European qualifiers in terms of top European canoeing nations because Europe is less dominant in that discipline.
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