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Vektor · August 10, 2024

Welp, it is what it is... no Hungarian gold in Canoe Sprint for the first time since 1976.

Vektor · August 10, 2024

Here comes our last chance. If we won't win the K1 1000, we won't have a gold medal in canoe sprint for the first time since 1976.

Vektor · August 10, 2024

Well, at least Csipes tried it, but it's impossible. Carrington with her 8th gold medal.

Vektor · August 9, 2024

Wait, we got the bronze as well? Wtf is going on?

Vektor · August 9, 2024

We are losing bronze medals by the smallest of margins in Paris...

Vektor · August 8, 2024

And the Hungarian men's boat disappoints... 7th place.

Vektor · August 8, 2024

A surprising bronze medal after a very shit Olympic cycle, didn't expect this medal at all.

Vektor · August 27, 2023

On 8/27/2023 at 3:28 PM, Roamingrover86 said:

Excellent work! Thanks

So, each NOC is eligible for a maximum of 18 athletes, right?

Does that mean can still qualify in WC1 from the European championships?

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Yes, both :HUN and :GER will go for those two European women's C1 quotas. It's the most stacked field at the European qualifiers in terms of top European canoeing nations because Europe is less dominant in that discipline.

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Vektor · August 27, 2023

There are two stories here for Hungarian canoeing:

On one hand we did well in the Olympic qualification, 15 quotas is an acceptable outcome and I think we will win the other 3 next year in Szeged.

On the other hand this is a disaster in terms of gold medals. ZERO gold medals in the Olympic events. Only one gold medal overall before the 5000m finals... Our gold medal favorites (Varga, Kopasz) lost and most of our medal favorites disappointed. A similar result in Paris would be seen as a disaster. The 3 gold medals of London, Rio and Tokyo are a distant memory at this point, the good days are over if we don't get our shit together.

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Vektor · August 27, 2023

Olympic quotas

"Q" - athlete quota

"HQ" - host quota

"D" - doubling-up, reallocation

"M" - maxing out, reallocation

Vektor · August 27, 2023

Quotas for :DEN :POL :GER :BEL :FRA :SWE in WK2

Quotas for :CRO :BUL :ESP in WK1 via reallocation

Vektor · August 27, 2023

Quotas for :GER :CHN :ESP :FRA :HUN :ROU :ITA :CZE in MC2

Quotas for :BRA :MDA in MC1 via reallocation

Vektor · August 27, 2023

Quotas in MK2: 2x :POR 1x :HUN 1x :ESP 2x :AUS 2x :CZE 2x :GER 1x :LTU

Quotas for :ESP :SWE :ARG in MK1 via reallocation

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Vektor · August 27, 2023

And finally, for the men's C2, it's very simple. As the C2 is the largest boat in that discipline, everyone in the final is eligible for the C2 quotas. Only one boat will miss out on the qualification.

Two reallocation are possible in MC1:

If :CZE FUKSA, Martin (1993) wins the C2 quota, his C1 quota gets reallocated to next highest ranked eligible athlete

If :FRA wins their C2 quotas, their host quota in C1 gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete

The next two eligible athletes in MC1 are...

:BRA GUIMARAES QUEIROZ, Isaquias (1994)

:MDA TARNOVSCHI, Serghei (1997)

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Vektor · August 27, 2023

Women's kayak is much easier because all 18 athletes in the WK2 final are eligible for the quotas, none of them were in the K4 boats that qualified.

Three reallocations are possible in WK1.

If :DEN JORGENSEN, Emma Aastrand (1996) wins the K2 quota, her K1 quota gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete.

If :FRA wins their K2 quotas, the host quota in K1 gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete

If :GER wins 7 athlete quotas, their K1 quota gets reallocated to the next highest ranked eligible athlete.

The next three eligible athletes in WK1 are...

:CRO GOVORCINOVIC, Anamaria (1997)

:BUL GEORGIEVA, Yoana (2002)

:ESP CONTRERAS, Isabel (1989) - Spain may reach 7 athlete quotas with this, so in that case the next best ranked eligible athlete is...

:RSA OLIVIER, Esti (1992)

The one thing I am not sure of is when the reallocation happens for nations that won more than 6 quotas in men's/women's kayak. For some reason the document of the Olympic qualification system doesn't specify it. It may only happen when the NOC confirms which athlete quotas they want to use up. But now that we don't have the K1 200, it should be quite obvious that Germany will take the K2 and K4 quotas while they give the K1 quota back.

Edited August 27, 2023 by Vektor

Vektor · August 27, 2023

On 8/27/2023 at 1:35 AM, Jan Linha said:

When I look at this info. Especially men's K2 looks to me that all the boats in final A may have the quota. Respectively, and the whole crew got the quota in K4. Which means that even though they took medals, the quotas would be reallocated to the boats below but despite the reallocation, they will still participate in K4 at the games and they will also have the opportunity to participate in K2 event if they want, right?

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Both Australians are eligible for the K2 quota because Green currently has a K1 athlete quota, not K4, while the other Australian wasn't in the K4 boat, I mixed them up because they have the same surname.

So these athletes in the men's K2 final are eligible for athlete quotas in that race:

:CZE SPICAR, Jakub (1993)

:CZE HAVEL, Daniel (1991)

:ESP DEL RIO, Adrian (2002)

:GER FRANK, Felix (1993)

:GER HILLER, Martin (2000)

:LTU OLIJNIK, Andrej (1987)

:POR RIBEIRO, Joao (1989)

:POR BAPTISTA, Messias (1999)

:HUN KOPASZ, Balint (1997)

:AUS VAN DER WESTHUYZEN, Jean (1998)

:AUS GREEN, Thomas (1999)

:SRB HOLPERT, Ervin (1986)

:SRB DRAGOSAVLJEVIC, Marko (1994)

So 13 athletes can take the K2 quotas and there are 12 quotas available in the race.

And if Green wins the K2 quota, his K1 quota will get reallocated to :ESP CUBELOS, Francisco (1992)

If Germany wins 7 athlete quotas, their K1 quota will get reallocated to the next athlete in K1, so either Cubelos or :SWE NATHELL, Martin (1995)

Vektor · August 26, 2023

On 8/26/2023 at 3:27 PM, Vektor said:

Oh wait... I think everyone in the men's K2 final already won the quotas by default. LOL

I mean, there are 18 athletes in the men's K2 final and only 12 of them can win quotas there as the other 6 athletes won quotas in K4. And the available athlete quotas in K2 is precisely 12. So the race for the men's K2 quotas is already over, I guess?

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Nope, I made one mistake... There are two :AUS van der Westhuyzen, Pierre was in the K4 boat, while Jean is in the K2 boat. So we got 5 athletes who won quotas in K4, not 6.

Vektor · August 26, 2023

Oh wait... I think everyone in the men's K2 final already won the quotas by default. LOL

I mean, there are 18 athletes in the men's K2 final and only 12 of them can win quotas there as the other 6 athletes won quotas in K4. And the available athlete quotas in K2 is precisely 12. So the race for the men's K2 quotas is already over, I guess?

Vektor · August 26, 2023

On 8/26/2023 at 3:06 PM, ChandlerMne said:

What are an implications for K2?

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Well, 5 out of the 9 boats in the final have at least one athlete who already qualified in the K4. Which means that the 7th placed will earn quotas via reallocation. Maybe even the 8th placed boat. The most extreme scenario is 6 athlete quota reallocation, in that case I think even the 9th placed boat wins quotas.

And on top of that if :AUS Green wins a quota in K2, his K1 quota will get reallocated to :ESP Cubelos.

Vektor · August 26, 2023

Athletes in tomorrow's finals who already won quotas

Men's K2

:CAN Poulin (quota in K4)

:CAN McTavish (quota in K4)

:ESP Germade (quota in K4)

:LTU Maldonis (quota in K4)

:HUN Nádas (quota in K4)

:AUS van der Westhuyzen (quota in K4)

:AUS Green (quota in K1)

Men's C2

:CZE Fuksa (quota in C1)

Women's K2

:DEN Jorgensen (quota in K1)

Vektor · August 26, 2023

Disaster for us in women's K2... not even B-final. Our entire women's team is just in terrible shape. It's one thing for us to not be as strong as in our most dominant era, but this is simply unacceptable. I think we will still win that K2 quota next year in Szeged with the help of a returning Kozák, but our current state is still depressing.

Vektor · August 26, 2023

On 8/26/2023 at 12:52 PM, Benolympique said:

wins the B final of the C2 W 500m a small chance of reallocation?

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In the old system they were filling up larger boats with reallocated quotas, but that's not the case in the new system, so I think there is no chance for a reallocation. They will have to win the quota at the European qualifiers.