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There isn't much detailed data here about that (like, for each sport federation and so), but the budget for sport in 2018 will be around 59 million dollars. Since 2016 it has proggresively received big cuts with the government wanting to cut down public founding in every area of the state.

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hace 1 minuto, De_Gambassi said:

 

Not possible. And no one wants it (World Rugby, Unions or clubs)

 

I discussed it once with some russian user, teams could play 3 games max in the time the olympics last. Maybe 4 but that would be forcing it too much. Also it would be a "quota fiesta" with each team needing at least 22/23 players (+ all the injury replacements that are bound to happen).

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Here is my take on it. As I have said several times in the past i'm philosophically against team events of individual sports (for me they don't add anything other than increasing the medal numbers of big nations). I will only make exceptions for Equestrian and Fencing because of "tradition".

As for new sports, I will only add Squash because they are big enough and have been trying for a long time already. Maybe Speed skating could enter too, but I wouldn't know what events to select to make the program (they are too many) so I will leave it out for now. I would like to see a return of Polo too someday, but I know it may not be very competitive if it's a free handicap competition (and handicap-limited competitions like the world championship don't make much sense to me, I want to see the best playing).

 

 

Aquatics - Diving [10]

  • 3m springboard (m/w)
  • 10m Platform (m/w)
  • Synchronised 3m Springboard (m/w)
  • Synchronised 10m Platform (m/w)
  • High diving (m/w)

Aquatics - Swimming [34]

  • 50m Freestyle (m/w)
  • 100m Freestyle (m/w)
  • 200m Freestyle (m/w)
  • 400m Freestyle (m/w)
  • 800m Freestyle (m/w) (could be this one or 1500, but I chose to cut this one because it's "kinda-long-distance-but-not-really")
  • 1500m Freestyle (m/w)
  • 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w)
  • 4x200m Freestyle Relay (m/w)
  • 100m Breaststroke (m/w)
  • 200m Breaststroke (m/w)
  • 100m Butterfly (m/w)
  • 200m Butterfly (m/w)
  • 100m Backstroke (m/w)
  • 200m Backstroke (m/w)
  • 200m Individual Medley (m/w)
  • 400m Individual Medley (m/w)
  • 4x100m Medley Relay (m/w/mixed) Fuck off, the big swimming powers have enough medals already.
  • 10km Open Water (m/w)

Aquatics - Synchronised Swimming [2]

  • Women's Duet (w)
  • Women's Team (w)
  • Mixed Duet (let male synchro swimmers take part)

Aquatics - Water Polo [2]

  • Tournament (m/w) Both with 12 teams please and a reasonable number of players per team

Archery [6]

  • Individual Recurve (m/w)
  • Individual Compound (m/w) they deserve a place
  • Team Recurve (m/w/mixed) Korea doesn't need more medals + doesn't add anything new or interesting

Athletics [44]

  • 100m (m/w)
  • 200m (m/w)
  • 400m (m/w)
  • 800m (m/w)
  • 1500m (m/w)
  • 5000m (m/w) Same reason as the 800 freestyle in swimming
  • 10,000m (m/w)
  • 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w)
  • 400m Hurdles (m/w)
  • 3000m Steeplechase (m/w)
  • 4x100m Relay (m/w)
  • 4x400m Relay (m/w/mixed) Fuck off x2
  • Marathon (m/w)
  • 20km Race Walk (m/w)
  • 50km Race Walk (m)  a joke is less funny the longer it takes to tell it
  • Long Jump (m/w)
  • Triple Jump (m/w)
  • High Jump (m/w)
  • Pole Vault (m/w)
  • Shot Put (m/w)
  • Discus Throw (m/w)
  • Javelin Throw (m/w)
  • Hammer Throw (m/w)
  • Heptathlon (w)
  • Decathlon (m)

Badminton [5]

  • Singles (m/w)
  • Doubles (m/w/mixed)

Baseball [1]

  • Tournament (m)

Basketball [4]

  • 3x3 Tournament (m/w)
  • Tournament (m/w)

Boxing [13]

  • 8 Men's weights
  • 5 Women's weights

Canoeing - Slalom [5]

  • K-1 (m/w)
  • C-1 (m/w)
  • C-2 (m) Didn't do anything to deserve being kicked out, If we are going to build a venue just for slalom then we may as well use it more

Canoeing - Sprint [12]

  • K-1 200m (m/w)
  • K-1 500m (w)
  • K-1 1000m (m)
  • K-2 500m (w)
  • K-2 1000m (m)
  • K-4 500m (m/w)
  • C-1 200m (w)
  • C-1 1000m (m)
  • C-2 500m (w)
  • C-2 1000m (m)

Cycling - BMX [4]

  • BMX Race (m/w)
  • Park (m/w)

Cycling - Mountain Bike [2]

  • Men's/Women's Race (m/w)

Cycling - Road [4]

  • Road Race (m/w)
  • Time Trial (m/w)

Cycling - Track [12]

  • Individual Sprint (m/w)
  • Team Sprint (m/w)
  • Team Pursuit (m/w)
  • Keirin (m/w)
  • Omnium (m/w)
  • Madison (m/w)
  • Points Race (w) better than the madison for women

Equestrian [6]

  • Individual Dressage (mixed)
  • Team Dressage (mixed)
  • Individual Jumping (mixed)
  • Team Jumping (mixed)
  • Individual Eventing (mixed)
  • Team Eventing (mixed)

Fencing [12]

  • Individual Foil (m/w)
  • Team Foil (m/w)
  • Individual Épée (m/w)
  • Team Épée (m/w)
  • Individual Sabre (m/w)
  • Team Sabre (m/w)

Field Hockey [2]

  • Tournament (m/w)

Football [2]

  • U-23 Tournament (m) With FIFA commanding clubs to release all players mandatory, no more C teams bullshit. If not possible then replace with Men's Futsal.
  • Women's Tournament

Golf [2]

  • Individual Stroke Play (m/w)

Gymnastics - Artistic [14]

  • Individual All-Around (m/w)
  • Team All-Around (m/w)
  • Floor (m/w)
  • Vault (m/w)
  • Pommel Horse (m)
  • Rings (m)
  • Parallel Bars (m)
  • Horizontal Bar (m)
  • Balance Beam (w)
  • Uneven Bars (w)

Gymnastics - Rhythmic [1]

  • Individual All-Around (w) I don't rate this sport, the group competition seems much more interesting to me.
  • Group All-Around (w)

Gymnastics - Trampoline [2]

  • Individual (m/w)

Handball [4]

  • Indoor Tournament (m/w)
  • Beach Handball (m/w) if we include beach volley and basket 3x3, then I don't see any reason to deny them entry

Judo [14]

  • 7 Men's weights
  • 7 women's weights
  • Team Event (mixed) Fuck off x3

Karate [8]

  • 4 Men's Kumite weights
  • 4 Women's Kumite weights
  • Individual Kata (m/w)

Modern Pentathlon [2]

  • Individual (m/w)

Rowing [12]

  • Single Sculls (m/w)
  • Double Sculls (m/w)
  • Lightweight Double Sculls (m/w) "Basketball for short people"
  • Quadruple Sculls (m/w)
  • Pairs (m/w)
  • Fours (m/w)
  • Eights (m/w)

Rugby Sevens [2]

  • Tournament (m/w)

Sailing [11)

  • RS:X (m/w)
  • Laser (m)
  • Laser Radial (w)
  • Finn (m)
  • 470 (m/w)
  • 49er (m)
  • 49er FX (w)
  • Nacra 17 (mixed)
  • Elliot 6m (w) I miss a keelboat and match race competition + we reach definitive gender equality in Sailing. Doesn't have to necessarily be this class tho.

Shooting [15]

  • 10m Air Rifle (m/w)
  • Mixed Team 10m Air Rifle (mixed)
  • 50m Rifle Three Positions (m/w)
  • 10m Air Pistol (m/w)
  • Mixed Team 10m Air Pistol (mixed)
  • 25m Pistol (w)
  • 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (m)
  • Trap (m/w)
  • Mixed Team Trap (mixed)
  • Skeet (m/w)
  • 10m Running Target (m/w) deserves a place

Skateboarding [4]  Poorly organized, doesn't really wanna be part of the olympics anyway

  • Park (m/w)
  • Street (m/w)

Softball [1]

  • Tournament (w)

Sport Climbing [8]

  • Combined (m/w)
  • Boulder (m/w)
  • Lead (m/w)
  • Speed (m/w)

Surfing [2]

  • Shortboard (m/w)

Table Tennis [4]

  • Singles (m/w)
  • Doubles (m/w)
  • Team (m/w) China doesn't need any more medals

Taekwondo [8]

  • 4 Men's weights
  • 4 Women's weights

Tennis [5]

  • Singles (m/w)
  • Doubles (m/w/mixed)

Triathlon [2]

  • Individual Race (m/w)
  • Mixed Team Relay (mixed) Fuck off x4

Volleyball - Beach [2]

  • Tournament (m/w)

Volleyball - Indoor [2]

  • Tournament (m/w)

Weightlifting [14] Doping + unhealthy overall

  • 7 Men's weights
  • 7 Women's weights

Wrestling [20]

  • 7 Men's Freestyle weights
  • 7 Men's Greco-Roman weights
  • 6 Women's Freestyle weights

 

Additional Sports:

 

Squash [5]

  • Singles (m/w)
  • Doubles (m/w)
  • Mixed Doubles

 

Total medal events: 328

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Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)
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hace 29 minutos, heywoodu said:

Plus I wonder what it means for the results of their matches..(or at least the one vs Argentina) 

 

Means nothing unless 3 or more players from the same team test positive from the same match. You don't lose points for just one player.

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Best (none of them a "gold medal moment" curiously, just the ones that made the most impact on me)

 

1) Argentina - Serbia CG Basketball 2004 (I always post the same whenever these threads come up :d )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVpefP_uIac

 

2) Argentina - Brazil Volleyball 2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IvqTdBuwzU

 

3) Del Potro - Djokovic Rio 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHBw-zj0cs

 

 

Worst

 

1) Medal-less in 1976 & 1984

 

2) football gold lost in the last minute with a dumb off-side trap (Atlanta 1996)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiUlc4eda5s

 

3) The football disaster of Rio

 

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Olympic Videos & Pictures
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Does anyone have any good documentaries to recommend featuring some story of past olympics? It can be about x country performance or an athlete/sport in particular, I'm more interested in olympics from Sydney and before. If it's in english or has subtitles then better, but if not I will still watch them.

 

 

PS. Before someone asks me: yes, I have already watched almost all ESPN 30x30 and what the olympic channel shows :d 

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Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)
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^lol that thing about Maradona was that once in a tv show he said that some players drank a "quick coffee" ("café veloz", whatever that means for him) before a match against Australia.

 

The other players of that time however replied to Maradona and said they had no idea what he was talking about. Maradona usually makes up these stories about his times as a player when he is on tv :lol: I wouldn't take it seriously. The only drug addict is him.

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Doping Cases and Bans Thread (2016 & 2017)
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hace 4 horas, Agger said:

We have an interesting twist in the Fancy Bear cases.

 

Jakob Fuglsang, who is between the latest names to be leaked, states that the leaked TUE documents are fake, as the TUE is actually from 2008 and not the 2016 games.

 

It's the same with the 2 argentines mentioned in part 4, those TUE were from 2010 and 2014.

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hace 6 minutos, Dmitry said:

I can't see a problem. That's nearly the same like in the other team sport when favourite plays with outsider. Coach of the strong team did some changes in the squad. But the most players still played in all 4 games. Teams used their full squad.
More important to see how many changes were in the full squads of the teams with injured players. Let's look to group stage of 2015 World Cup since the teams were started their first game and until they were finished fourth. There are no teams that did more than 2 substitutes in this period. Many teams didn't substitutes in this period at all.
So there are no too much problems with it.

 

But at the world cup there are weak teams to rest players, in your format of 8 teams in which only 1 qualifies for final there are no possible "rest games" you have to play every match to the max or you lose. Rugby is very competitive among the top 10 teams, if let's say New Zealand doesn't play with their best team, they can lose to Scotland, for example.

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hace 2 minutos, Dmitry said:

 

Let’s see 2015 rugby World Cup group stage. I count all dates during group stage from and including day of the first game to and including the day of the last game for this teams.

 

At the Olympics we have 19-20 dates for 4 games. It's enough for format which I described or format with 2 groups with 4 teams (with finals but without semifanals). And all teams will start in one day.

After I counted this I think it's more possible than I thought before :d

 

 

Because almost all teams play with substitutes in at least one match during group stage....

 

 

Argentina and New Zealand for example played substitutes vs Namibia, Ireland and France did vs Romania, etc

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hace 3 horas, Dmitry said:

Football takes 2 days before the Opening Ceremony. I think nothing can stop to take 1 day more for rugby.
So it will be 4 games during 19 days with 5 days of rest between fixtures. Final even can be 1 day before Closing Ceremony or it will be 1 day more for the rest. It's hard but possibly.

 

 

No, that's impossible. No professional rugby team can take that. You can have two games between 5 days rest maybe ONE time, but 3 times in a row will end with more than half of the team injured. And believe me, rugby players get injured A LOT. Even in regular club championships were they play once per week it's very common to rotate a bunch of players each match because many are injured.

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hace 1 hora, Dmitry said:

I tried to forget about my and my country preferences how I can. And I will not write a lot about format of competitions, rules, qualification format, antidoping, referees, quotas because too many changes should be in many sports. It is about disciplines.


Rugby/football. 1. If men's football still will be junior it have to be removed. 2. Rugby-7 looks like a promo to rugby union and it have to be removed too. 3. Men's rugby union have to be add. 4. We have men's rugby union/women's football. 5. ???. 6. PROFIT:)

 

It's impossible to have a serious rugby union event in the span of two weeks. Players need at least 6/7 days of rest between matches.

 

In world cups there is even controversy when some teams are given "only" 4 or 5 days of rest between fixtures. During the olympics each team could play 3 matches max, which is not enough for any serious format of competition.

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I think a team sport only can be replaced by another team sport and since Baseball has been included again (although not in very acceptable conditions), I don't see any other one with the strenght to enter the program.

 

 

What is a no no for me is adding team events of individual sports, the only purpose that always has is to gift more medals to strong nations.

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