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It is (almost) impossible to have shared golds in most other events (track, triple/long jump, throws), so it is also somewhat unfair.

Have to mention again how impressive the Netherlands are. Not sure if the competitions so far could have gone any worse for them and still they will end with a lot of medals and top 8 finishes. Could very well see them being the best european country at the olympics next year. Van Klinken, Klaver, Laros and some other could all finally break through next year.

1) Nordas improving by 7 seconds in one year after switching to Ingebrigtsen's dad ... 2) Ingebrigtsen dominating again all season long just for a scottish guy to completely explode at worlds ... 3) Why are most of the top british runners from Scotland? Rather weird given that they only account for a tiny part of the population. I guess Scotland is to GB what Norway is to the other scandinavian countries, something in the food there ...

Not quite the level of Silke Spiegelburg or Christopher Linke yet, but maybe she'll get there.

World Athletics is doing a pathetic job, the website is down every evening, obviously they can't handle the traffic.

1) Great atmosphere/crowd, but i hate the schedule. 2) Very impressed by Australia and Ireland so far. 3) Sadly german athletes are barely noticeable ...

Definitely not. Hussong could have competed, but the german federation didn't nominate her since she is completely out of shape. Looking at the level of competition she definitely would have had a shot at making the final.

Japan is looking very dangerous in men's 4 x 400 m relay. They should win a medal.

1) How so? 3) Again: I have no problem with Hungary not wanting to spend money on refugees, not sure why you keep bringing it up. From a german perspective of course it doesn't seem very smart to pay billions of euros per year to Hungary while Hungary doesn't help with the refugee situation. German officials don't really seem to have a problem with it though. 5) I don't believe in morality. It just isn't in the best interest of Germany (or the EU in general) to "allow" Hungary to be in a position where they can easily be blackmailed by Russia into sabotaging the EU. You have an absurd definition of blackmailing if you think that the EU is blackmailing Hungary. Hungary gets billion of euros from the EU, the least they can expect in return is for Hungary to not sabotage the EU whenever Russia tells them to. Hungary is trying to play both sides and the EU should force them to decide. In the end Hungary is clearly a net negative for the EU. Hopefully in 2025 Germany will get a new government that will end this clownshow and get Germany out of the EU (very unlikely, but it isn't forbidden to dream).

Another massive underperformance by Italy. Tamberi only with the gold medal despite being tied 3rd on the entry list. Will be interesting to compare the position of the italian athletes on the entry list with the number of their medals/top 8 finishes.

Beyond disgusting improvement by Tausaga. Improving her PB by 4 m as a 25 year old ... The Netherlands turned into a powerhouse almost over night. They used to be irrelevant and now they develop new medal contenders every year. Wouldn't be shocked if they would win 10 medals next year: 3 x Hassan Bol Klaver 4 x 400 m women's relay 4 x 400 m mixed relay Van Klinken Schilder 1-2 x Laros Vetter/Oosterwegel Maybe Weerman/Bouju

1) So you name one country and that country doesn't even have a higher budget? 2) Even if the german NADA would be bankrupt, it wouldn't mean anything. They could be bankrupt while getting 100 million euros a year if they wouldn't know how to manage their money. The amount of funding is one thing and the way they spend their money is another thing. Apart from that everyone (at least in Germany) always cries that they don't get enough money (german sports also constantly complain that they don't have enough money, when in reality they get more and more money every olympiad). I guess that is the best strategy to get what you need, but the fact that the amount of money the german state is spending has exploded, doesn't really fit with the narrative that everyone is always underfunded.

Obviously not, but you would only know that if you would have watched the Germany vs. USA match. Even without Reaves Germany looked better than Canada and if you would have taken Reaves off the US team and would have put him on the german team, then Germany easily would have won against the US on the second night of a back to back.

1) Don't get the point you are trying to make. As far as i know hungarian people aren't forced to work for foreign companies in their country, so at least for those people it is good news that those companies invested in Hungary instead of Germany for example. 3) Still no clue. Are you talking about migrants in Hungary or other EU countries? 4) Still no clue what your point is. 5) I don't blame Hungary for using russian gas, my whole point was that a) this helps Hungary saving money (which for example allows them to spend more on other things like sport) and b) it isn't good for the EU that Hungary can easily be blackmailed by Russia into sabotaging anything the EU plans to do.

I am still waiting for the list of countries with stricter anti-doping laws and a better funded NADA. Not sure why you felt comfortable enough to chime in when you clearly can't name those countries ... The german anti-doping law also asks for athletes to land in jail (up to 3 years) and the people behind it can also end up in jail (up to 10 years). Not sure how that makes the italian law more strict? Also not sure what the cases you named have to do with anything? Nowhere did i claim that there is no doping in Germany, but that the consequences of getting caught are more severe and that athletes and coaches are more hesitant to use doping. Also there is less incentive to dope (since the medal bonuses in Germany are laughable and unless you are a soccer player, it is almost impossible to earn a decent living as an athlete). You can compare how Armstrong and Ulrich were treated after getting caught if you want to see the difference between the US and Germany (Ulrich destroying his life (becoming a drug addict) + german TV not showing the Tour de France anymore). Also not sure why you feel the need to mention things that german nationals did in other countries? You are basically proving my point (german officials couldn't keep their doping going in Germany, so they went abroad). Another interesting case (if you want to educate yourself) would be Armin Klümper. When athletes like Sachenbacher, Ulrich, Klöden, Friesinger, Niemann-Stirnemann, Baumann or Schumann were at their peak, Germany was far more successful in classic endurance sports like cycling, cross-country skiing, rowing or speed skating. You might ask yourself why Germany became completely irrelevant in those sports (did they forget everything or weren't they willing/able anymore to use the same methods that made them successful before)? Also if i remember correctly Sachenbacher only got "banned" for 5 days, if that is one of the biggest cases you could find, then that isn't very convincing. Interestingly enough her coach at that time was a certain Wolfgang Pichler, who later went on to rebuild the swedish biathlon team from scratch ... (i am sure you see a pattern here). You have clearly shown that you aren't really familiar with german sport or the doping discussion in Germany. I think you only really know how hot this topic is if you are actually german. After everything that happened in the GDR (doping children, athletes dying, doping athletes without their knowledge), this topic is completely "burned" in Germany. I think the only people in Germany that are treated worse than dopers (and their coaches) are pedophiles. I don't think that you can compare it with the situation in any other country. Would be like comparing the antisemitism/right-wing politics discussion in Germany with the same discussion in other countries. It absolutely doesn't compare. Other interesting (former GDR) coaches you might want to look into: Jürgen Gröbler (rowing coach who went to ) Jutta Lau (rowing coach who went to ) Uwe Hohn & Klaus Bartonietz (athletics coaches who went to India, former coaches of olympic champion Neeraj Chopra) Dieter Kollark (athletics coach who went to China, former coach of olympic champion Gong Lijiao) Wolfgang Pichler (biathlon coach who coached in and now ) Markus Cramer (cross-country skiing coach who coached in and Cologna, now coaches in ...) Joachim Franke (former coach of Claudia Pechstein) Gabriele Fuß & Stephan Gneupel (former coach of Gunda Niemann-Stirnemann) Ekkart Arbeit (athletics coach who worked in and , wanted to hire him before their home olympics in 2000) Klaus Rudolph (swimming coach who worked in ) Heiko Salzwedel (track cycling coach who worked in and ) Hartmut Buschbacher (rowing coach who worked in & ) Frank Rogall (rowing coach who worked in ) Harald Jährling (rowing coach who worked in ) Eberhard Mund (rowing coach who worked in ) Theodor Körner (rowing coach who worked in ) Wolfgang Richter (swimming coach who worked in )

Yes

1) It is Čeh 2) I don't think that Čeh broke the CR

1 & 2) That is capitalism. Please tell me why Orban wants those companies in Hungary if he himself/Hungary doesn't profit from it? 3) No clue what you mean. 4) No clue what you mean. 5) There are other forms of energy & there are other landlocked countries that don't rely on russian gas & there are other countries that export gas through pipelines (for example Azerbaijan).

Doesn't have to be one or the other, but without doping all of this is irrelevant. China also claimed that their secret in the 90s was turtle soup. Of course you always have to try to give an explanation that gullible people can believe/plausible deniability, but the answer is always doping. People claiming that it is possible to dominate without doping are extremely disrespectful/insulting.

Banned for doping before ... no results in the 400 m hurdles between 2018 and 2023 ...

For now ... Alekna can take over ...

It isn't impossible, unless you use the number of medals to define good/bad. The actual performances matter as well. In the end every country always will have some athletes overperforming and some athletes underperforming and it depends how you weigh those two groups.

Tokyo was probably the biggest overperformance any country ever had in athletics (you can look at past olympics and tell me how often any european country won 5 golds). How much more do you expect? At this point everyone knows that you can't judge anything related to italian sports objectively.

Difficult to lead a discussion when you can't even quote (i don't get a message that you quoted me and therefore might not reply, which surely wasn't your goal). Track events were never really "a thing" in western/unified Germany. I think the last global champions were Baumann (caught doping) and Schumann (some rumors as well). If Germany would have continued to use the GDR doping knowledge, they would now be much more competitive. Instead german coaches went to countries like GB or China to continue their dop... training. Actually Germany hasn't been as good in the 400 m hurdles as they are today (although 2 of their 3 best guys are injured right now), but you are right about the other events. Italy also had a big downturn (same as Spain) after they were pretty good in running in the 1990s/2000s. Then those countries had some doping trouble (in running/cycling), which lead to them "laying low" for a while (and some of their officials going to african countries for example), but now they seem to be back. I think the situation in finish cross-country skiing is comparable. The Netherlands and GB didn't have that "burden", so they had less reservations using performance enhancing drugs. GB used to be insanely bad in sports until 2000 or so, but then they completely exploded and even all the stories around team Sky, Dwain Chambers Paula Radcliffe didn't really hurt them.

Difficult to lead a discussion when you can't even quote (i don't get a message that you quoted me and therefore might not reply, which surely wasn't your goal). Track events were never really "a thing" in western/unified Germany. I think the last global champions were Baumann (caught doping) and Schumann (some rumors as well). If Germany would have continued to use the GDR doping knowledge, they would now be much more competitive. Instead german coaches went to countries like GB or China to continue their dop... training. Actually Germany hasn't been as good in the 400 m hurdles as they are today (although 2 of their 3 best guys are injured right now), but you are right about the other events. Italy also had a big downturn (same as Spain) after they were pretty good in running in the 1990s/2000s. Then those countries had some doping trouble (in running/cycling), which lead to them "laying low" for a while (and some of their officials going to african countries for example), but now they seem to be back. I think the situation in finish cross-country skiing is comparable. The Netherlands and GB didn't have that "burden", so they had less reservations using performance enhancing drugs. GB used to be insanely bad in sports until 2000 or so, but then they completely exploded and even all the stories around team Sky, Dwain Chambers Paula Radcliffe didn't really hurt them.