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Qualified Nations
 

  • BAN.gif Bangladesh
  • HKG.gif Hong Kong
  • IND.gif India
  • INA.gif Indonesia
  • JPN.gif Japan
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
  • MAS.gif Malaysia
  • OMA.gif Oman
  • PAK.gif Pakistan
  • KOR.gif South Korea
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka
  • THA.gif Thailand


 

Competition Format

 

Preliminary Round
August 20th - August 28th, 2018
12 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Semifinals, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 5th Place Match, the 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 7th Place Match, the 5th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 9th Place Match, the 6th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 11th Place Match
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Knockout Round
August 30th - September 1st, 2018
12 Nations, Placement Matches, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match, the winning Nation will be the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018 Champion
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Qualification Format

 

Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014
September 20th - October 2nd, 2014
10 Nations, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Nations will qualify for the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018
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Qualification Tournament (Preliminary Round)
March 8th - March 13th, 2018
8 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Semifinals, the 3rd and 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 5th-8th Placement Matches
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Qualification Tournament (Knockout Round)
March 15th - March 17th, 2018
8 Nations, Placement Matches, Semifinals and Final, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Nations will qualify for the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018


Registered Nations
Qualified, Eliminated, In Progress

 

  • AFG.gif Afghanistan (Qualification Tournament)
  • BAN.gif Bangladesh (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Qualification Tournament)
  • CHN.gif China (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Withdraw)
  • TPE.gif Chinese Taipei (Qualification Tournament, Withdraw)
  • HKG.gif Hong Kong (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Automatic Qualification)
  • IND.gif India (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • INA.gif Indonesia (Host Nation)
  • JPN.gif Japan (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Automatic Qualification)
  • MAS.gif Malaysia (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • OMA.gif Oman (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Qualification Tournament)
  • PAK.gif Pakistan (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • SGP.gif Singapore (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • KOR.gif South Korea (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014)
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka (Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2014, Qualification Tournament)
  • THA.gif Thailand (Qualification Tournament)
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Qualification Tournament (Preliminary Round)
March 8th - March 13th, 2018
8 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Semifinals, the 3rd and 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 5th-8th Placement Matches


Group A


  • AFG.gif Afghanistan
  • BAN.gif Bangladesh
  • HKG.gif Hong Kong
  • THA.gif Thailand



Group B


  • TPE.gif Chinese Taipei
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
  • OMA.gif Oman
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka


 

Group A
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 19 - 1 AFG.gif Afghanistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 5-1, 5-0, 4-0, 5-0
March 9th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 5 - 0 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 2-0
March 9th 2018, h. 20:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 1 - 5 BAN.gif Bangladesh
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-0, 0-2, 0-3
March 11th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Thailand THA.gif 23 - 0 AFG.gif Afghanistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 4-0, 4-0, 7-0, 8-0
March 11th 2018, h. 20:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 25 - 0 AFG.gif Afghanistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 3-0, 10-0, 6-0, 6-0
March 13th 2018, h. 15:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Thailand THA.gif 3 - 0 HKG.gif Hong Kong
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0
March 13th 2018, h. 17:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Group A Final Standing

 

Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
BAN.gif Bangladesh
3
3
0
0
35
1
+34
9
THA.gif Thailand
3
2
0
1
26
5
+21
6
HKG.gif Hong Kong
3
1
0
2
20
9
+11
3
AFG.gif Afghanistan
3
0
0
3
1
67
-66
0


 

Group B
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 6 - 0 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 2-0, 1-0, 3-0
March 8th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Oman OMA.gif 4 - 3 TPE.gif Chinese Taipei
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-0, 1-1, 2-2
March 8th 2018, h. 20:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Chinese Taipei TPE.gif 8 - 3 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-1, 1-0, 1-0, 5-2
March 10th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 1 - 5 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-1, 0-1, 0-2, 1-1
March 10th 2018, h. 20:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Chinese Taipei TPE.gif 1 - 4 SRI.gif Sri Lanka
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-2, 0-1, 0-1
March 12th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Oman OMA.gif 3 - 0 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-0, 1-0, 1-0
March 12th 2018, h. 20:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

 

Group B Final Standing

 

Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
OMA.gif Oman
3
3
0
0
12
4
+8
9
SRI.gif Sri Lanka
3
2
0
1
10
6
+4
6
TPE.gif Chinese Taipei
3
1
0
2
12
11
+1
3
KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
3
0
0
3
3
17
-14
0
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Qualification Tournament (Knockout Round)
March 15th - March 17th, 2018
8 Nations, Placement Matches, Semifinals and Final, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Nations will qualify for the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018

 

  • AFG.gif Afghanistan
  • BAN.gif Bangladesh
  • TPE.gif Chinese Taipei
  • HKG.gif Hong Kong
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
  • OMA.gif Oman
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka
  • THA.gif Thailand


 

5th-8th Places Semifinals
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 3 - 4 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 2-0, 1-2, 0-2
March 15th 2018, h. 13:30, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

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Chinese Taipei TPE.gif 14 - 1 AFG.gif Afghanistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 3-0, 7-0, 2-1, 2-0
March 15th 2018, h. 15:45, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat


 

Semifinals
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 3 - 2 SRI.gif Sri Lanka
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-0, 0-1, 3-1
March 15th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat

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Oman OMA.gif 8 - 0 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 2-0, 1-0, 4-0
March 15th 2018, h. 20:15, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat


 

7th Place Match
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 16 - 0 AFG.gif Afghanistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 7-0, 3-0, 2-0, 4-0
March 16th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat


 

5th Place Match
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Kazakhstan KAZ.gif 0 - 4 TPE.gif Chinese Taipei
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-1, 0-1, 0-0
March 16th 2018, h. 20:15, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat


 

3rd Place Match
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 4 - 1 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 3-1, 1-0, 0-0
March 17th 2018, h. 18:00, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat


 

Final
Gulf Standard Time (GMT +4)

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 0 - 2 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-1, 0-1, 0-0
March 17th 2018, h. 20:15, Sultan Qaboos Sports Complex, Muscat
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Men's Qualification Tournament
Final Results
The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Nations will qualify for the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018

 

Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1
Oman
OMA.gif
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2
Bangladesh
BAN.gif
-
3
Sri Lanka
SRI.gif
-
4
Thailand
THA.gif
-
5
Chinese Taipei
TPE.gif
-
6
Kazakhstan
KAZ.gif
-
7
Hong Kong
HKG.gif
-
8
Afghanistan
AFG.gif
-
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Preliminary Round
August 20th - August 28th, 2018
12 Nations, 2 Groups, the 1st and 2nd Nations from each Group will qualify for the Semifinals, the 3rd Nations from each Group will qualify for the 5th Place Match, the 4th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 7th Place Match, the 5th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 9th Place Match, the 6th Nations from each Group will qualify for the 11th Place Match


Group A


  • HKG.gif Hong Kong
  • IND.gif India
  • INA.gif Indonesia
  • JPN.gif Japan
  • KOR.gif South Korea
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka



Group B


  • BAN.gif Bangladesh
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
  • MAS.gif Malaysia
  • OMA.gif Oman
  • PAK.gif Pakistan
  • THA.gif Thailand


 

Group A
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

South Korea KOR.gif 11 - 0 HKG.gif Hong Kong
Quarter-by-Quarter: 2-0, 3-0, 3-0, 3-0
August 20th 2018, h. 10:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Japan JPN.gif 11 - 0 SRI.gif Sri Lanka
Quarter-by-Quarter: 5-0, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0
August 20th 2018, h. 14:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

India IND.gif 17 - 0 INA.gif Indonesia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 4-0, 5-0, 4-0, 4-0
August 20th 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

South Korea KOR.gif 8 - 0 SRI.gif Sri Lanka
Quarter-by-Quarter: 4-0, 0-0, 3-0, 1-0
August 22nd 2018, h. 12:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

India IND.gif 26 - 0 HKG.gif Hong Kong
Quarter-by-Quarter: 6-0, 8-0, 4-0, 8-0
August 22nd 2018, h. 14:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Indonesia INA.gif 1 - 3 JPN.gif Japan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-1, 1-0, 0-1, 0-1
August 22nd 2018, h. 18:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Indonesia INA.gif 0 - 15 KOR.gif South Korea
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-2, 0-3, 0-8
August 24th 2018, h. 14:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 4 - 1 HKG.gif Hong Kong
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 1-0, 0-0, 2-1
August 24th 2018, h. 18:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Japan JPN.gif 0 - 8 IND.gif India
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-1, 0-2, 0-3
August 24th 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 3 - 1 INA.gif Indonesia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-0, 1-1, 1-0
August 26th 2018, h. 10:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 0 - 13 JPN.gif Japan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-1, 0-6, 0-3, 0-3
August 26th 2018, h. 12:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

South Korea KOR.gif 3 - 5 IND.gif India
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-1, 2-0, 1-2
August 26th 2018, h. 18:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 2 - 3 INA.gif Indonesia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-1, 1-0, 0-2, 1-0
August 28th 2018, h. 10:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

India IND.gif 20 - 0 SRI.gif Sri Lanka
Quarter-by-Quarter: 4-0, 3-0, 7-0, 6-0
August 28th 2018, h. 16:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Japan JPN.gif 3 - 2 KOR.gif South Korea
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-0, 0-1, 2-1
August 28th 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Group A Final Standing

 

Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
IND.gif India
5
5
0
0
76
3
+73
15
JPN.gif Japan
5
4
0
1
30
11
+19
12
KOR.gif South Korea
5
3
0
2
39
8
+31
9
SRI.gif Sri Lanka
5
2
0
3
7
41
-34
6
INA.gif Indonesia
5
1
0
4
5
40
-35
3
HKG.gif Hong Kong
5
0
0
5
3
57
-54
0


 

Group B
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

Pakistan PAK.gif 10 - 0 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 3-0, 4-0, 2-0
August 20th 2018, h. 12:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 2 - 1 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 1-1, 0-0, 0-0
August 20th 2018, h. 16:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Malaysia MAS.gif 16 - 2 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 5-1, 4-0, 4-0, 3-1
August 20th 2018, h. 18:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Kazakhstan KAZ.gif 1 - 6 BAN.gif Bangladesh
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-1, 0-1, 1-2
August 22nd 2018, h. 10:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Malaysia MAS.gif 10 - 0 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 5-0, 3-0, 1-0
August 22nd 2018, h. 16:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Pakistan PAK.gif 10 - 0 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 2-0, 0-0, 5-0, 3-0
August 22nd 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Oman OMA.gif 2 - 0 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-0, 0-0, 1-0
August 24th 2018, h. 10:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 0 - 7 MAS.gif Malaysia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-3, 0-3, 0-1
August 24th 2018, h. 12:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Kazakhstan KAZ.gif 0 - 16 PAK.gif Pakistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-4, 0-2, 0-3, 0-7
August 24th 2018, h. 16:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Oman OMA.gif 4 - 0 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 1-0, 0-0, 2-0
August 26th 2018, h. 14:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Thailand THA.gif 1 - 3 BAN.gif Bangladesh
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-1, 0-1, 1-1
August 26th 2018, h. 16:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Pakistan PAK.gif 4 - 1 MAS.gif Malaysia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-1, 0-0, 2-0, 1-0
August 26th 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Thailand THA.gif 3 - 2 KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 2-1, 0-0, 0-1
August 28th 2018, h. 12:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Malaysia MAS.gif 7 - 0 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-0, 5-0, 1-0
August 28th 2018, h. 14:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Bangladesh BAN.gif 0 - 5 PAK.gif Pakistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-2, 0-1, 0-1, 0-1
August 28th 2018, h. 18:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

 

Group B Final Standing

 

Nation
P
W
D
L
GF
GA
+/-
Pt.
PAK.gif Pakistan
5
5
0
0
45
1
+44
15
MAS.gif Malaysia
5
4
0
1
41
6
+35
12
BAN.gif Bangladesh
5
3
0
2
11
15
-4
9
OMA.gif Oman
5
2
0
3
7
19
-12
6
THA.gif Thailand
5
1
0
4
4
27
-23
3
KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
5
0
0
5
5
45
-40
0
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Knockout Round
August 30th - September 1st, 2018
12 Nations, Placement Matches, Semifinals, Bronze Medal Match and Gold Medal Match, the winning Nation will be the Men's Field Hockey Tournament at the Asian Games 2018 Champion

 

  • BAN.gif Bangladesh
  • HKG.gif Hong Kong
  • IND.gif India
  • INA.gif Indonesia
  • JPN.gif Japan
  • KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
  • MAS.gif Malaysia
  • OMA.gif Oman
  • PAK.gif Pakistan
  • KOR.gif South Korea
  • SRI.gif Sri Lanka
  • THA.gif Thailand


 

9th Place Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

Indonesia INA.gif 1 - 2 THA.gif Thailand
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 1-2, 0-0, 0-0
August 30th 2018, h. 12:30, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

7th Place Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

Sri Lanka SRI.gif 2 - 5 OMA.gif Oman
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-1, 0-2, 0-2, 1-0
August 30th 2018, h. 15:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

Semifinals
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

India IND.gif 2 - 2 PSO MAS.gif Malaysia
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-0, 2-1, 0-1, Penalties: 6-7
August 30th 2018, h. 17:30, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta

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Pakistan PAK.gif 0 - 1 JPN.gif Japan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 0-0, 0-1, 0-0, 0-0
August 30th 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

11th Place Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

Hong Kong HKG.gif 2 - 2PSO KAZ.gif Kazakhstan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-1, 0-1, 1-0, Penalties: 2-3
September 1st 2018, h. 12:30, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

5th Place Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

South Korea KOR.gif 7 - 0 BAN.gif Bangladesh
Quarter-by-Quarter: 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 1-0
September 1st 2018, h. 15:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

Bronze Medal Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

India IND.gif 2 - 1 PAK.gif Pakistan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 1-0, 0-0, 0-0, 1-1
September 1st 2018, h. 17:30, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta


 

Gold Medal Match
Western Indonesian Time (GMT +7)

 

Malaysia MAS.gif 6 - 6PSO JPN.gif Japan
Quarter-by-Quarter: 3-1, 1-1, 0-0, 2-4, Penalty Shoot-Out: 1-3
September 1st 2018, h. 20:00, GBK Hockey Field, Jakarta
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Men's Tournament
Final Results

 

JPN.gif Japan
-

 

MAS.gif Malaysia
-

 

IND.gif India
-

 

Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
4
Pakistan
PAK.gif
-
5
South Korea
KOR.gif
-
6
Bangladesh
BAN.gif
-
7
Oman
OMA.gif
-
8
Sri Lanka
SRI.gif
-
9
Thailand
THA.gif
-
10
Indonesia
INA.gif
-
11
Kazakhstan
KAZ.gif
-
12
Hong Kong
HKG.gif
-
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    • I think I found an answer on a skiing forum   "This (obviously) isn't a technological question, it's a philosophical question. Anybody with the skills necessary to time a ski race to 0.01 would most certainly be capable of timing one to 0.001 or 0.0001, if the greater resolution was what the rules called for. "Here's the reason. "The FIS Timing Working Group has been trying to get rid of mechanical start gates since the 80's. They maintain until that happens, the random mechanical slop inherent in mechanical switches and the random flex inherent in start wands makes timing to .001 simply a random draw. And they've proved it. Repeatedly. "The FIS TWG made their decision based on data collected by my technical group at FIS World Cup and the World Alpine Chmps in the 90's (as TAG Heuer) and then revisited based on data we collected in the 00's (as Rolex). We installed several sets of cells downhill of the start gate (on the start ramp) at 1m intervals and collected data for both men and women across all the disciplines. Analysis of the data clearly showed that mechanical start gates are, to a relevant resolution, random number generators. "This is a question much like the one brought up at the summer Olympics in Munich in 1972. A few months before the Olympics, FINA announced they'd obtained the technology to time swimming to .001, and would start at The Games. FINA were subsequently contacted by the engineering firm who'd designed and supervised construction of the pool in Germany. Representatives from the firm sent FINA a mathematical proof showing that at speeds typical for Olympic swimmers, the pool wasn't built to sufficient tolerances to where all lanes were of equal length to a degree where .001 would be fair. And notice...to this day...swimming also still publishes results only to 0.01. FINA have shelved the idea of 0.001 for over 40 years because no mechanical engineer will certify a pool with walls and touchpad mounts so precisely built that 0.001 would be consistent and fair across all lanes. "Think about it from an engineering standpoint.....let's say you had a time base accurate to 0.0000001 and photocells only accurate to 1.0 seconds. Sure, you could publish results to 0.000001, but anything beyond a full second would be random and therefore useless. "Mechanical start gates are an anachronism, but the TWG has to date been unable to get rid of them. It's a tradition FIS hasn't been willing to part with. Until that happens, publishing results to resolutions beyond 0.01 simply isn't fair because it's not accurate. It's proven to be random. "On another note, at the 1999 World Alpine Chmps at Beaver Creek, where we (TAG Heuer) were official timing, there was a tie for first in the mens SG between Kjus and Maier. Naturally we had the tapes, so for fun we calculated who won without truncation. Of course we kept that tidbit of information to ourselves. Later that night, persons unknown (still unknown to this day) broke into the timing bldg at Birds of Prey and stole the tapes. The next day, the "real winner" was published in a bunch of newspapers in Europe, along with photos of the stolen tapes." "Yes, start gates are a technological mess. Not to mention there is no consistency, nor any flex standard, nor any thermocompensation standard, from wand to wand. So if you were to replace a wand mid-race, which most of us have done, you could be unknowingly changing your race results significantly. Certainly enough to break or make ties. "In the 90's, TAG Heuer had some very expensive experimental carbon fiber wands manufactured for World Cup because, in theory, carbon wands would be way stronger and hopefully more consistent than the fiberglass wands we were using at the time. This particular batch of wands was built by a Formula One supplier to a very tight tolerance, so they were supposedly very consistent and came with lab test data. The carbon wands worked great until we tried them at World Cup in Lake Louise @ -37C, whereupon they shattered like icicles every 5 racers or so. Working as an arm of TAG Heuer with factory support was a lot of fun back then because the big cheeses at the time, Jean Campiche and Ted Savage, were very interested in advancing the level of engineering, so we could get budgets to design and build new widgets and try new technologies from time to time. Some of the ideas worked, some of them didn't. "Having our tapes stolen at the WASC wasn't a catastrophe, but it was certainly amusing. They're not a secret. Any athlete or coach has the right to examine race tapes and do their own math, which is one of the successes of the TWG. It may seem like a big pain in the tush for timing geeks to fill out timing forms and submit their forms & tapes to the Chief of Timing, and I've certainly heard a ton of complaints about it. But in an era where there is extensive betting on ski racing and a lot of corruption & conflict of interest in the sports headlines, transparency is important. "I have no better idea than you as to whether wands will ever be replaced with photocells. I'm not on the TWG and I'm an engineer, not a politician. It's a FIS decision, a phrase which makes us all cringe. As a practical engineering matter, it's a no-brainer. Keep an unplugged start gate on the start post for TV and start the race with a photocell mounted 1m down the hill. Duh." "This (obviously) isn't a technological question, it's a philosophical question. Anybody with the skills necessary to time a ski race to 0.01 would most certainly be capable of timing one to 0.001 or 0.0001, if the greater resolution was what the rules called for. "Here's the reason. "The FIS Timing Working Group has been trying to get rid of mechanical start gates since the 80's. They maintain until that happens, the random mechanical slop inherent in mechanical switches and the random flex inherent in start wands makes timing to .001 simply a random draw. And they've proved it. Repeatedly. "The FIS TWG made their decision based on data collected by my technical group at FIS World Cup and the World Alpine Chmps in the 90's (as TAG Heuer) and then revisited based on data we collected in the 00's (as Rolex). We installed several sets of cells downhill of the start gate (on the start ramp) at 1m intervals and collected data for both men and women across all the disciplines. Analysis of the data clearly showed that mechanical start gates are, to a relevant resolution, random number generators. "This is a question much like the one brought up at the summer Olympics in Munich in 1972. A few months before the Olympics, FINA announced they'd obtained the technology to time swimming to .001, and would start at The Games. FINA were subsequently contacted by the engineering firm who'd designed and supervised construction of the pool in Germany. Representatives from the firm sent FINA a mathematical proof showing that at speeds typical for Olympic swimmers, the pool wasn't built to sufficient tolerances to where all lanes were of equal length to a degree where .001 would be fair. And notice...to this day...swimming also still publishes results only to 0.01. FINA have shelved the idea of 0.001 for over 40 years because no mechanical engineer will certify a pool with walls and touchpad mounts so precisely built that 0.001 would be consistent and fair across all lanes. "Think about it from an engineering standpoint.....let's say you had a time base accurate to 0.0000001 and photocells only accurate to 1.0 seconds. Sure, you could publish results to 0.000001, but anything beyond a full second would be random and therefore useless. "Mechanical start gates are an anachronism, but the TWG has to date been unable to get rid of them. It's a tradition FIS hasn't been willing to part with. Until that happens, publishing results to resolutions beyond 0.01 simply isn't fair because it's not accurate. It's proven to be random. "On another note, at the 1999 World Alpine Chmps at Beaver Creek, where we (TAG Heuer) were official timing, there was a tie for first in the mens SG between Kjus and Maier. Naturally we had the tapes, so for fun we calculated who won without truncation. Of course we kept that tidbit of information to ourselves. Later that night, persons unknown (still unknown to this day) broke into the timing bldg at Birds of Prey and stole the tapes. The next day, the "real winner" was published in a bunch of newspapers in Europe, along with photos of the stolen tapes." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Yes, start gates are a technological mess. Not to mention there is no consistency, nor any flex standard, nor any thermocompensation standard, from wand to wand. So if you were to replace a wand mid-race, which most of us have done, you could be unknowingly changing your race results significantly. Certainly enough to break or make ties. "In the 90's, TAG Heuer had some very expensive experimental carbon fiber wands manufactured for World Cup because, in theory, carbon wands would be way stronger and hopefully more consistent than the fiberglass wands we were using at the time. This particular batch of wands was built by a Formula One supplier to a very tight tolerance, so they were supposedly very consistent and came with lab test data. The carbon wands worked great until we tried them at World Cup in Lake Louise @ -37C, whereupon they shattered like icicles every 5 racers or so. Working as an arm of TAG Heuer with factory support was a lot of fun back then because the big cheeses at the time, Jean Campiche and Ted Savage, were very interested in advancing the level of engineering, so we could get budgets to design and build new widgets and try new technologies from time to time. Some of the ideas worked, some of them didn't. "Having our tapes stolen at the WASC wasn't a catastrophe, but it was certainly amusing. They're not a secret. Any athlete or coach has the right to examine race tapes and do their own math, which is one of the successes of the TWG. It may seem like a big pain in the tush for timing geeks to fill out timing forms and submit their forms & tapes to the Chief of Timing, and I've certainly heard a ton of complaints about it. But in an era where there is extensive betting on ski racing and a lot of corruption & conflict of interest in the sports headlines, transparency is important. "I have no better idea than you as to whether wands will ever be replaced with photocells. I'm not on the TWG and I'm an engineer, not a politician. It's a FIS decision, a phrase which makes us all cringe. As a practical engineering matter, it's a no-brainer. Keep an unplugged start gate on the start post for TV and start the race with a photocell mounted 1m down the hill. Duh."   "So there you have it, no point in going to higher accuracy results reporting, the mechanical start gate assembly makes it pointless."  
    • yes, it is, but FIS doesn't want to go that deep
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