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Athletics IAAF Challenger Continental Tour 2023 (ASA Athletics Grand Prix 3)


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Women's 200m
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Tamzin THOMAS
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23.58
2.
Kirsten AHRENS
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23.87
3.
Leonette VOSLOO
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24.76
4.
Sydney OOSTHUIZEN
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24.77
5.
Snethemba NGEMA
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24.79
6.
Lara JOHNSON
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24.87
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Women's 400m
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Rhoda NJOBVU
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52.25
2.
Marlie VILJOEN
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52.31
3.
Angelique STRYDOM
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53.31
4.
Carla HATTINGH
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54.68
5.
Anname FOURIE
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55.14
6.
Jessica VAN HEERDEN
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55.51
7.
Marietjie REITZ
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56.02
8.
Mpothleng KOESHE
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61.20
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Women's 800m
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Carina VILJOEN
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2:06.55
2.
Michaela OOSTHUIZEN
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2:07.06
3.
Aviwe HOBOLOSHE
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2:07.46
4.
Fina DUBE
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2:10.18
5.
Marli DIMOND
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2:10.86
6.
Emma KRUSE
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2:12.06
7.
Tsepang SELLO
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2:13.75
8.
Carien SANDER
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2:17.00
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Women's 100m Hurdles
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Marione FOURIE
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13.01
2.
Taylon BIELDT
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13.10
3.
Megan NEWTON
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14.38
4.
Marelize JORDAAN
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14.40
5.
Mikateko MAWELA
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15.04
6.
Kayla VAN DER BERGH
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15.66
7.
Nadia KITSHOFF
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16.02
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Women's 400m Hurdles
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Line KLOSTER
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55.87
2.
Taylon BIELDT
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55.90
3.
Rogail JOSEPH
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56.24
4.
Gezelle MAGERMAN
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57.08
5.
Anje NEL
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58.73
6.
Hannah VAN NIEKERK
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1:00.20
7.
Simone DE WET
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1:00.24
8.
Juanne KOTZE
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1:03.08
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Women's Long Jump
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Danielle NOLTE
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6.37
2.
Lene PEENS
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6.14
3.
Karmen FOUCHE
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6.02
4.
Patience NTSHINGILA
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5.96
5.
Eljonè KRUGER
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5.85
6.
Karissa VAN WYK
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5.67
7.
Timeke-Jade COETZEE
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5.60
8.
Joane GERBER
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5.56
9.
Desiree VAN WYK
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5.54
10.
Mia UYS
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5.44
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Women's Javelin Throw
Final Results
 
Rank
Athletes
Nation
Result
1.
Jo-Ane VAN DYK
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57.64
2.
Jana VAN SCHALKWYK
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55.75
3.
Clarissa WEYER
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48.70
4.
Savannah COMBRINK
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47.37
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2, Biathlon - 10, Cross-Country Skiing - 6, Figure Skating - 1, Freestyle Skiing - 9, Luge - 8, Nordic Combined - 2, Short Track - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Jumping - 2, Snowboarding - 1)   Oceania (3 nations)    Australia: 54 (-3) (Alpine Skiing - 3, Bobsleigh - 4, Cross-Country Skiing - 7, Figure Skating - 4, Freestyle Skiing - 16, Luge - 1, Short Track - 2, Skeleton - 1, Ski Mountaineering - 2, Snowboarding - 14)  New Zealand: 20 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 4, Freestyle Skiing - 10, Snowboarding - 6)  Vanuatu: 1 (0) (Freestyle Skiing - 1)   Other (1 nation)    Individual Neutral Athletes: 17 (0) (Alpine Skiing - 2, Cross-Country Skiing - 3, Figure Skating - 3, Freestyle Skiing - 1, Luge - 2, Short Track - 2, Ski Mountaineering - 1, Speed Skating - 3)    Refugee Olympic Team: 1 (NEW) (Biathlon - 1)
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