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  On 5/22/2024 at 2:53 AM, Fly_like_a_don said:

Oumaima El Bouchti gets WR quota reallocation in -49kg as Oceania Qualifiers had just 2 entrants.

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Thanks! any reference to that (besides wikipedia)? i don't understand why they had given the quota in the first place lol

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  On 5/2/2024 at 10:30 PM, MHSN said:

it depends on your definition of refugee

 

there are something like ~4 millions Afghans living in Iran and he is one of them. most probably even born here. so technically yes he is a refugee, he lives in another country (with no intention of moving back to AFG) but he has an Afghan passport and represented Afghanistan internationally until few months ago.

 

the situation changes in Afghanistan month by month, one day he can say OK I want to represent my homeland, another day he can say oh no I'm still a refugee.

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I get it. To me, the idea of the EOR is to take athletes that have no more connection with their country of passport.

 

In Brazil we have many athletes that live abroad for many years/decades but still represent Brazil. Some changed countries (to Portugal, Lebanon, etc) and now for the first time we had someone applying to be refugee (2 girls on weighlifting). many people don't take them seriously but we never know what happened to them, so who knows.

 

Obviously some athletes might try to profit from that, but for me it's the same as someone changing nationality and it's not a real issue.

But, I truly believes that IOC runs a check with UN to see if all are considered refugees officially.

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  On 5/2/2024 at 4:38 PM, MHSN said:

Everyone who has followed her story knows she is not a refugee, none of them are. They just use this opportunity to either get a free ticket to the Olympics or in her case get some money. I'm not going to bore everybody with details. that doesn't matter anyway. she won the quota herself so at least she technically deserves it.

 

Bulgaria had two female athletes at the Euro qualifier and failed to qualify, (one of them was very close though) this looks like giving them a 3rd chance which is against the rules. if they wanted to "hire" her, they had to do it before the qualifiers. 

 

as for Abbasi, he is a refugee in Iran (not from Iran) and he is not really good. he was about to lose his semifinal but he landed one heavy kick and won the match by RSC. (which was pure luck IMO) I seriously doubt any country is interested in his service. but maybe I'm wrong. I follow some websites covering Afghan sport news, (we share the same language) never heard about him going back to represent AFG but that's a possible scenario. 

 

or maybe King Tommy and his goons just didn't want his name in their lovely list for pure political reasons. I think he will go Paris anyway, we will find out soon under which flag.

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Well, so is he really a refugee? From what I've read here he went to RTF simply because he was not selected to the Afghan team. 

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  On 5/2/2024 at 3:34 PM, MHSN said:

two so-called "refugee" athletes qualified in Taekwondo before and none of them are here. Kimia Alizadeh found herself a buyer finally and since her name is not here I assume the IOC illegally let her transfer her quota to Bulgaria

 

but I wonder why former Afghan Alireza Abbasi is not in this list. 

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I have no idea on the Kimia Alizadeh story. But as a refugee, I guess for her it's a good thing that she managed to get a citizenship, passport, etc. If many athletes can change nationalities, I don't see the fuzz to question her ties with Bulgaria.

 

But yeah... regarding Alireza I think there are 3 options:

 

- either he will compete with another country (which?)

- or Yahya Al Ghotany will grab his quota at 68kg (as the quota is for the NOC)

-or the bronze medallist from Asian Qualifier will get his quota

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  On 5/2/2024 at 3:02 PM, Benolympique said:

http://www.worldtaekwondo.org/competition/view.html?nid=141066&mcd=L06&sc=ne

 

5 Quotas

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Have you guys noticed who's missing? @MHSN?

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  On 4/29/2024 at 2:27 PM, Fly_like_a_don said:

 *2 +  * 2 officially 

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Thanks!!! Was there any official statement?

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  On 4/7/2024 at 1:50 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

 

For him, it would be judo. All he needs to do is literally show up to one event which awards points and he will qualify to the Olympics.

 

This is assuming no more Pacific nations decide they too would like a free quota.

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For now Oceania has 4 men and 2 women with the quota, but New Zealand has a good shot of qualifying the women directly so would get a 5th male quota. Therefore, women from Oceania, come!!! (or not, because it could help Brazil to go with an extra athlete hahaha)

 

We will have a Tahiti Open, I imagine many pacific countries will show up and get the 10 quotas

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But wait, is the 49kg quota good? I tried to find anything in the Documents regarding that but could not find it

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  On 4/1/2024 at 11:11 AM, Fly_like_a_don said:

Men's

 

58     

 

67     

 

80     

 

+80     

 

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thank you so much! i'm assuming on the 58 is ? or one could be ?

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  On 3/16/2024 at 1:38 AM, MHSN said:

because Ulugbek Rashitov was already qualified at 68kg. they had just one more male spot available

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ah sorry, forgot about that. 

 

quick hypothetical question then:

Uzbekistan already has 2 athletes. What would happened if a rellocation is necessary on +80kg? Could still Rafalovich be called and be a third male Uzbek as his quota is by the ranking?

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  On 3/12/2024 at 9:17 PM, MHSN said:

that was expected actually. Rafalovich has a good rank mostly because of his old results, their 80kg guys (both Jaysunov and Salaev) had more success recently, Jaysunov was only few seconds away from qualifying through the Grand Slam. 

 

beside that 80kg will be much easier for then to earn the quota.

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But why would they just bring 1 athlete to the event and not 2?

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  On 3/15/2024 at 7:33 AM, Fly_like_a_don said:

W 49kg :  

 

with it's first ever female qualifier- Dunya Abutaleb in any Olympic sport (ignoring tripartites). She'll probably be the flagbearer at the opening ceremony 

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This Brazilian Twitter account - one of the best covering Olympic Sports remembered that actually a Saudi girl got a ranking quota on Judo for Tokyo.

 

But Abutaleb was the first one to qualify through an OQT

 

 

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Surprised that Nikita RAFALOVICH was not chosen here

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thanks!! Saw it on reuters as well. It makes sense considering tennis. 

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  On 3/9/2024 at 4:14 PM, avlar said:

Thomas Bach visited personally ITF meeting where they decided to allow russian and belorussian tennis players to take part in doubles and mixed.

 

The reason - they quallify not as a team but according to their persoanal rankings. That is the difference with other cases. Very controversial decision.

 

So right now it is up to russian government whether to send athletes ot not. 

 

2 most possible outcomes:

 

1. They send athletes only in a small number of events (wrestling, taekwondo, judo, tennis) where they have real chances to get medals.

2. Athletes "themselves" refuse to take part in the games under the proposed conditions (of course they will be just instructed what to say, like before 1984 Olympics).

 

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Where you saw this decision regarding doubles and mixed? I could only find this note which basically says the same thing we all know.

 

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  On 3/9/2024 at 3:56 PM, MHSN said:

I don't think so. as far as I understand they are not being considered as the same team. the IOC just uses the same term for both of them to confuse us 

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hahahaha i'm still not sure if double counts as a  team to add to the mix

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Was this the first time a Refugee Athlete won a competitive quota?

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  On 3/9/2024 at 2:37 PM, MHSN said:

I'm watching the next day draw and that made me confused 

 

Russia qualified one male athlete at the Grand Slam (V. Larin) and now they have M. Khramtcov trying to get the 2nd quota

 

but then I saw G. Gurtsiev at 58kg  but apparently he is representing Belarus now, kind of weird to move from one AIN to another AIN 

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It's the same issue on tennis.

 

Will athletes from Russia and Belarus qualify differently or their "joint" team will have 4 female and 4 male quotas on individual?

And... will they be able to form a pair to doubles? and if so... could they form a Russian/Belarussian pair? 

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I would assume that NO, because then they would be under the continental rule.

But obviously they will interpret the way the prefer.

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  On 2/21/2024 at 7:24 PM, JoshMartini007 said:

No, they are reallocated as tripartite quotas. Only if they are not awarded they will be given to the next ranked nation in the Olympic Rankings.

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I come to this because I still don't fully understood what happened here  

 

Either they already knew there would be no tripartite athletes on those weights

or they hadn't read it properly their own documents and invited the NOCs...

or they had already selected the 4 tripartite athletes and decided that's that, no more quotas to Universality.

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In an unexpected turn of events, Caroline Gomes dos Santos was awared a ranking quota.

 

 

Brazilian Taekwondo Federation says that because France chose this quota, it was reallocated, but that only makes sense if World Taekwondo realized there were no universality places (if I understand well via F2, as France won 2 quotas, its Host Nation quotas would be reallocated via Universality)

 

 

Edited January 30, 2024 by Mateus Nagime
wrong link

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  On 12/14/2023 at 11:02 AM, Rafa Maciel said:

 OQT Grand Slam Champions Series Final Qualifiers - Day 1 

 

 

(X) indicates the athlete's current Olympic Ranking List.

 

Women's 49Kg

1  Alisa Angelova

2  Yanying Zhang (318)

3  Xueqin Tan (242)

4  Elif Sude Akgul (131)

5  Xiaoxue Yang (19)

6  Irina Rogozina 

7  Ju Zuo (18)

8  Xiaoting Ye

 

 

Women's 67Kg

1  Hyo rim Hong (18)

2  Lilliia Khuzina

3  Aaliyah Powell

4  Lauren WIlliams (14)

5  Ruth Gbagbi (4)

6  Ozoda Sobirijonova (66)

7  Milena Titoneli (9)

8  Mengyu Zhang (7)

 

 

Men's 68Kg

1  Yushuai Liang (11)

2  Ilia Danilov

3  Lei Yan (461)

4  Martin Rezaei (15)

5  Abolfazl Yaghoubijouybari

6  Maksim Osin

7  Tae young Kim (36)

8  Chenming Xiao (38)

 

 

Men's +80Kg

1  Yaoxi Wang (89)

2  Vladislav Larin

3  Arian Salimi (23)

4  Ivan Sapina (3)

5  Pedro Arthur Alves Jesus (155)

6  Rafail Aiukaev

7  Sanghyun Kang (12)

8  Zhaoxiang Song (8)

 

 

So of the 32 qualifiers on day 1 the national breakdown is:

 

 - 11 qualifiers 

 - 7 qualifiers

  - 3 qualifiers

  - 2 qualifiers

    - 1 qualifier

 

 

 

I don't pretend to understand how the entry list for the Grand Slam Final/OQT worked but there were some pretty high ranked athletes who didn't make it through:

 

Women's 49Kg

 Qing Guo (6)

 Mi-reu Kang (9)

 

Women's 67Kg

 Cecilia Castro Burgos (10)

 Feruza Sadikova (12) 

 

Men's 68Kg

 Ho-jun Jin (5)

 

Men's +80Kg

 Ayoub Bassel (16)

 

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I would assume they just didn't bother to go there. 

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  On 12/13/2023 at 4:30 PM, MHSN said:

1. No, this GS has 25% more value, the previous was supposed to be held in 2022, they treat it like a 2022 event. 

2. looks like their GS sponsors are from China. so Yes

3. I assume WT will publish the list (if they ever do) in January but we can already know who is qualified. I have to repeat again, 4 years ago they never published a list of qualified athletes. they probably simply only notified the NOCs. yes, that's a very shitty organization 

 

btw I have a hard time to find out which 3 athletes in each weight were exempt from the qualification. WT didn't bother to publish this one as well

 

I just found out FIruza Sadikova (W67) and Nikita Rafalovich (+80) from Uzbek sources, and Firas Katousi (80) from Tunisian sources and I also know Mehran Barkhordari (80) from our team. 

 

I can assume Maicon Andrade is another one at +80kg. it was also weird to see Ivan Sapina in the qualifiers, being rank #3 he could be exempt . no idea whey he participated in the qualifiers ?! 

 

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So, just to be clear, in a scenarion in which an athlete at the top5 in the rankings also gets to be number 1 in the Grand Slam Rankings.

 

Would he/she get a quota through the Rankings? and the second place at Grand Slam would qualify?

Or the athlete would qualify through the GS and the 6th ranked athlete would get the quota?

 

 

According to Brazilian Taekwondo Federation, Maicon will not go to Wuxi. Only 6 athletes who were already travelling to the Team World Cup competed plus one who did the trip by himself. The logics of the federation is that they went bad at the first Grand Slam they did not have a chance at the Olympic Quota so it did not make any sense to travel there. Instead they will focus on the Pan-American Qualifier

 

I think this was a bad thing to do, specially for Icaro and Maicon who could still win a quota in case they won.

 

 

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I have a couple of questions regarding Olympic quota here, sorry if they are obvious!

1- Will the point system for Wuxi 2 be the same for the Wuxi Grand Slam in march?

2- World Taekwondo only promotes Grand Slam events in Wuxi? WTF?
3- So, if the rankings will be released only in January what happens when athletes classify via Grand Slam and rankings? where does the reallocation takes place?

 

thank you so much :D

Edited December 13, 2023 by Mateus Nagime

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Is there any link with the results for this tournament? Can't find them on world taekwondo